Table Madness in DWT

#1

Hi,
I'm on DW CS3 on an intel Mac. And I'm trying to get my bottom text links
streamlined to look tighter, but somehow, there is some inserted space that
vertically separates the rows of text links a lot further apart than I'd like.

I've even got the vertical lengths set to 11 pixels in EVERY cell and DW still
puts that space there. I know that I'm missing something very basic and I'm a
Frontpager convert to boot, so you're dealing with minor leagues at best here.

Here's the link: http://www.frankbright.com/index3.htm
Please tell me what I'm doing wrong....Many Thanks, Frank B.

#2

brightbelt stated in post gq5ftk$ih9$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com on 3/22/09 6:53
AM:

Quote:

Hi,
I'm on DW CS3 on an intel Mac. And I'm trying to get my bottom text links
streamlined to look tighter, but somehow, there is some inserted space that
vertically separates the rows of text links a lot further apart than I'd like.

I've even got the vertical lengths set to 11 pixels in EVERY cell and DW still
puts that space there. I know that I'm missing something very basic and I'm a
Frontpager convert to boot, so you're dealing with minor leagues at best here.

Here's the link: http://www.frankbright.com/index3.htm Please tell me what I'm
doing wrong....Many Thanks, Frank B.

You have paragraphs in the table cells (TDs). You can either remove the
paragraphs (keeping the text) or use CSS to set the margins of those
paragraphs to 0.

That will fix *that* problem. You also have a lot of auto-generated styles
(.style1, etc), and you make heavy use of the FONT tag and set heights to
your tables. Not only is this considered bad practice / not valid, but it
will lead to a *lot* of confusion for you.

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#3

This page is a terrible mess, I'm afraid.

For example -

<!DOCTYPE HTML
PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">

<head>

The template markup is ABOVE the doctype. That's going to create lots of
problems for you.

There are zillions of little, one-rule stylesheets embedded in the page, and
lots of javascript links and embeds there too.

Where do you stand with this project?

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"brightbelt" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Hi,
I'm on DW CS3 on an intel Mac. And I'm trying to get my bottom text links
streamlined to look tighter, but somehow, there is some inserted space
that
vertically separates the rows of text links a lot further apart than I'd
like.

I've even got the vertical lengths set to 11 pixels in EVERY cell and DW
still
puts that space there. I know that I'm missing something very basic and
I'm a
Frontpager convert to boot, so you're dealing with minor leagues at best
here.

Here's the link: http://www.frankbright.com/index3.htm
Please tell me what I'm doing wrong....Many Thanks, Frank B.

#4

Thanks Murray for replying,
Well this is a bit of a story - at first, I brought this over and imported it
directly from Frontpage 2003. After having troubles and seeing how jumbled and
twisted the code had become (you should have seen it then), I started again
from scratch in DW CS3, if you can believe it.

I made a new web, and made brand new pages but I did copy and paste much of
the content over from what I had before, so perhaps some of the jumbled code
came with it all over again. I don't know for sure.

I can't seem to change any text properties in the Properties box without it
ADDING to styles, rather than replacing them. Now, I'm no expert on CSS, to put
it mildly, and I don't profess to be a coder by any means.

I'm fine to let tables be my method here and maybe find a way to clean things
up, if that's at all possible.

If there seems to be no way to do that, I may hire a web designer to do it
right. I'm more of a professional musician trying to use the web as a tool and
I don't want to get caught up into being a half-professed web designer who
happens to be a musician.

Many Thanks, Frank B.

#5

Also, by the way, I checked my template and the Doc Type is ABOVE the beginning
editable region. So I don't know why it's getting reversed.

Is it possible that my template file is corrupt somehow?

Thanks, Frank

#6

Let's see your template, please. Can you upload it and post a link?

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"brightbelt" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Also, by the way, I checked my template and the Doc Type is ABOVE the
beginning
editable region. So I don't know why it's getting reversed.

Is it possible that my template file is corrupt somehow?

Thanks, Frank

#7

Quote:

I can't seem to change any text properties in the Properties box without
it
ADDING to styles, rather than replacing them. Now, I'm no expert on CSS,
to put
it mildly, and I don't profess to be a coder by any means.

This means that you are using CS4 with DMX methods. Get out of the habit of
using the Property inspector to make these changes. Always edit the CSS
instead.

Quote:

I don't profess to be a coder by any means

If you want to use DW effectively, this will have to change.

Quote:

I'm fine to let tables be my method here and maybe find a way to clean
things
up, if that's at all possible.

I'm sure it is.

Quote:

If there seems to be no way to do that, I may hire a web designer to do it
right. I'm more of a professional musician trying to use the web as a tool
and
I don't want to get caught up into being a half-professed web designer who
happens to be a musician.

I think you may be on the right track here. If you would like to contact me
offlist you can do so at -

forums at great-web-sights dot com

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Adobe Community Expert
(If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!)
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"brightbelt" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Thanks Murray for replying,
Well this is a bit of a story - at first, I brought this over and imported
it
directly from Frontpage 2003. After having troubles and seeing how
jumbled and
twisted the code had become (you should have seen it then), I started
again
from scratch in DW CS3, if you can believe it.

I made a new web, and made brand new pages but I did copy and paste much
of
the content over from what I had before, so perhaps some of the jumbled
code
came with it all over again. I don't know for sure.

I can't seem to change any text properties in the Properties box without
it
ADDING to styles, rather than replacing them. Now, I'm no expert on CSS,
to put
it mildly, and I don't profess to be a coder by any means.

I'm fine to let tables be my method here and maybe find a way to clean
things
up, if that's at all possible.

If there seems to be no way to do that, I may hire a web designer to do it
right. I'm more of a professional musician trying to use the web as a tool
and
I don't want to get caught up into being a half-professed web designer who
happens to be a musician.

Many Thanks, Frank B.

#8

brightbelt posted in macromedia.dreamweaver

Quote:

I made a new web, and made brand new pages but I did copy and
paste much of
the content over from what I had before, so perhaps some of the
jumbled code came with it all over again. I don't know for sure.

I'm thinking you copied code as well. I can't imagine DW would
create this illegal Meta tag if copying content in design view.

<meta name="Microsoft Border" content="none">

I could be wrong, though. MS is certainly good at munging things.

Quote:

I can't seem to change any text properties in the Properties box
without it
ADDING to styles, rather than replacing them. Now, I'm no expert
on CSS, to put it mildly, and I don't profess to be a coder by
any means.

It will do you a world of good to learn at least the basics of HTML and
CSS. Otherwise, well, you've seen the results of flailing about in the
dark.

Answering just the footer table question, replace your entire "footer"
table with this:

<table width="780" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td><a href="index.htm">Return To Main Homepage</a></td>
<td><a href="index3.htm">Home</a></td>
<td><a href="Contact.htm">Contact</a></td>
<td><a href="index2.htm">Go To Flash Site</a></td>
<td><a href="Estimate.htm">Get An Estimate</a></td>
<td><a href="ClaireFrazierDuo.htm">Claire Frazier Duo</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><a href="History.htm">History</a></td>
<td><a href="Biography.htm">Biography</a></td>
<td><a href="Compositions.htm">Compositions</a></td>
<td><a href="Photo_Album/index.htm">Gallery</a></td>
<td><a href="Audio.htm">Audio Clips</a></td>
<td><a href="Jazz_Links.htm">Jazz Links</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td> </td>
<td> </td>
<td> </td>
<td> </td>
<td> </td>
<td><a href="Flash_Gallery/index.htm">Flash Gallery</a></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>

You might want to save as a separate page so you can easily see the
differences between the above and your version. There is quite a lot
wrong with your version, beyond CSS. Otherwise, simply copy/pasting
the above might fix the table, but you may not learn from it.

--
Mark A. Boyd
Keep-On-Learnin'

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