scroller: to frame or not to frame

Hi all,

Thanks for reading. I have set up a template page, per the link below. Some
pages will contain more content than the "About" page, and so I wanted to
include a scroller "within" the page to accomplish this, to keep the header,
border and links stationary, just scroll the content. What is the best way
to do this? Frames? How can I maintain the look using frames, if this is
the only way?

Thanks a million!

John

http://www.seaa.net/about.htm

"John Hill" <jhill (AT) hil-tec (DOT) com> wrote in
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Thanks for reading. I have set up a template page, per the link below.
Some pages will contain more content than the "About" page, and so I
wanted to include a scroller "within" the page to accomplish this, to
keep the header, border and links stationary, just scroll the content.
What is the best way to do this? Frames? How can I maintain the look
using frames, if this is the only way?

THe only reason I have found not to use frames - is because people tell me
not to use them.

I still don't know how to do what you want portably without frames.... but
with frames you can make it keep your look.

Set up your frames as follows, with all but C, fixed non-scrolling.

AAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAA
BBBCCCCCCCDDD
BBBCCCCCCCDDD
BBBCCCCCCCDDD
EEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Frames are certainly an option that would work. I know it's possible to accomplish this using CSS, but I've never tried it (see http://www.projectseven.com/faqbase/faqs/faq5.asp?cat=20&ts=&pg=1&id=5 from Project VII). A bit of advice: if you decide to use frames, you really need to understand them to get them to work right. This might even include some JavaScript (which you can learn in .http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/98/03/index0a.html, including how to manipulate frames). Good luck.

Folks:

Before recommending/using frames, make sure you inform yourself -

http://apptools.com/rants/framesevil.php

Frankly, I would never use frames for this. A dHTML scroller is a better
approach.

http://www.projectseven.com/

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"robg37" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote

Frames are certainly an option that would work. I know it's possible to
accomplish this using CSS, but I've never tried it (see

http://www.projectseven.com/faqbase/faqs/faq5.asp?cat=20&ts=&pg=1&id=5 from
Project VII). A bit of advice: if you decide to use frames, you really need
to understand them to get them to work right. This might even include some
JavaScript (which you can learn in
..http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/98/03/index0a.html, including how to
manipulate frames). Good luck.

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:36:55 -0400, "John Hill" <jhill (AT) hil-tec (DOT) com>
wrote:

Thanks for reading. I have set up a template page, per the link below. Some
pages will contain more content than the "About" page, and so I wanted to
include a scroller "within" the page to accomplish this, to keep the header,
border and links stationary, just scroll the content. What is the best way
to do this? Frames? How can I maintain the look using frames, if this is
the only way?

While frames would accomplish your stated goal, I think you might be
overlooking the usability problems that go along with frames. See
http://apptools.com/rants/framesevil.php for more info on that topic.
I would suggest that you just design flat pages, using the template.
The images in the static part of the page (the part that is the same
on all pages) will be in the browser's cache, so they don't have to be
downloaded, so the pages should render quickly, making the transition
from page to page nearly seamless.


Gary

Thanks, Murray, for the reminder about the evils of frames - I had
forgotten! I have the geewhiz scroller, which is a cool tool, but, as I
understand it uses layers and thus only works on fixed-position pages, not
variable, like the one I am building... si? no?

John


"Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote

Folks:

Before recommending/using frames, make sure you inform yourself -

http://apptools.com/rants/framesevil.php

Frankly, I would never use frames for this. A dHTML scroller is a better
approach.

http://www.projectseven.com/

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"robg37" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Frames are certainly an option that would work. I know it's possible to
accomplish this using CSS, but I've never tried it (see
http://www.projectseven.com/faqbase/faqs/faq5.asp?cat=20&ts=&pg=1&id=5
from
Project VII). A bit of advice: if you decide to use frames, you really
need
to understand them to get them to work right. This might even include
some
JavaScript (which you can learn in
.http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/98/03/index0a.html, including how to
manipulate frames). Good luck.

Hi John,

John Goulding has a tut for snapping the geewizz scrollers here.......

http://www.softboot.co.uk/tutorial/snapwizz.htm

HTH

Cheers
Sinclair
"John Hill" <jhill (AT) hil-tec (DOT) com> wrote

Thanks, Murray, for the reminder about the evils of frames - I had
forgotten! I have the geewhiz scroller, which is a cool tool, but, as I
understand it uses layers and thus only works on fixed-position pages, not
variable, like the one I am building... si? no?

John


"Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Folks:

Before recommending/using frames, make sure you inform yourself -

http://apptools.com/rants/framesevil.php

Frankly, I would never use frames for this. A dHTML scroller is a
better
approach.

http://www.projectseven.com/

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"robg37" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Frames are certainly an option that would work. I know it's possible
to
accomplish this using CSS, but I've never tried it (see
http://www.projectseven.com/faqbase/faqs/faq5.asp?cat=20&ts=&pg=1&id=5
from
Project VII). A bit of advice: if you decide to use frames, you really
need
to understand them to get them to work right. This might even include
some
JavaScript (which you can learn in
.http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/98/03/index0a.html, including how
to
manipulate frames). Good luck.

Frankly, I would never use frames for this. A dHTML scroller is a better
approach.

And if you go down that route, you may want to check out Scroller Genie (http://www.dmxzone.com/go?4952) as well. :-)

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