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#21

joost kolkman wrote:

Quote:

Just the opposite of half lying?Some statements are more true than
others....

Joost Kolkman
(who loves shades of grey and refuses to see the world in black and white)

That's a very unique point of view, one of my most favourite.

Mick (very much alive)

#22

J.S. (UltraSuite) wrote:

Quote:

I think you'll have to use IFRAMES which will work in IE but not in Mozilla
based browsers.

I think iframes work in mozilla and ie

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#23

Quote:

Don't worry about page loading. If you have the same thing from page to page
for navigation, that part doesn't take any downloading time. So just because
it is a different page, don't worry about it.

If the navigation is on every page, it is downloaded with the page
unless it is added as an include... The graphics (if you are using them)
might be cached or not.

Quote:

Now, you *can* have navigation not reload. However, this involves frames

Not necessarily. You can include a file that contains your navigation on
each page, as in  (or virtual instead
of file, depending upon the web server, Ideally, you use the
root-relative path structure if you have many directories. You can use a
document relative if all files are at the same level in the site). This
page will be cached, most likely. It also makes it easier to update the
single page of navigation, rather than all pages...and it eliminates the
need for frames.

However, what you won't have is a menu system that is visible at all
times, as it will scroll up.

iframes will work, too, but they can be tricky to style and control as
far as width, borders and such. You will have to add the style to the
pages you put into the iframe--those of the document *with* the iframe
will not affect the content of the page *inside* the iframe.

You can find out about iframe attributes and such here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/objects/IFRAME.asp

Just some suggestions...
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#24

Murray won't like my reply to your question, but yes it can be done and no it
does not require frames, iframes, or Flash. I do use CSS and server-side
includes, however. I did it on http://www.eddiemcham.com/ and it works just
fine and dandy. Sure, it's not 100% perfect for 100% of all web users....but
then hey, name me one website that is. If this is what you're looking for ~
and you don't mind that it's not the most user-friendly thing in the world ~
then I'd be happy to share with you how I did it. I'd write it down right now,
except I'm busy at work at the moment. While it's true what someone else said
about using templates and that the common elements do download fairly quickly,
I don't like the fact that it has to call the server for all those items. What
if your server suddenly goes belly up while you're in the middle of pulling
down someone's web pages? You're assuming the user's browser has already cached
all those items. Maybe not. You never know. That's why I did my site the way I
did. Everything gets loaded only once ~ the only potential problem is if one of
my SSI's can't get to its content. So far (knock on wood), that hasn't happened
yet.

~e

#25

Donna:

Quote:

If the navigation is on every page, it is downloaded with the page unless
it is added as an include... The graphics (if you are using them) might be
cached or not.

Even if it is added as an include, it is downloaded with every page, since
that code is included before the server uploads to the client..

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"Donna Casey *TMM*" <infoREMOVETHIS (AT) n2dreamweaver (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Don't worry about page loading. If you have the same thing from page to
page for navigation, that part doesn't take any downloading time. So just
because it is a different page, don't worry about it.

If the navigation is on every page, it is downloaded with the page unless
it is added as an include... The graphics (if you are using them) might be
cached or not.

Now, you *can* have navigation not reload. However, this involves frames

Not necessarily. You can include a file that contains your navigation on
each page, as in  (or virtual instead
of file, depending upon the web server, Ideally, you use the root-relative
path structure if you have many directories. You can use a document
relative if all files are at the same level in the site). This page will
be cached, most likely. It also makes it easier to update the single page
of navigation, rather than all pages...and it eliminates the need for
frames.

However, what you won't have is a menu system that is visible at all
times, as it will scroll up.

iframes will work, too, but they can be tricky to style and control as far
as width, borders and such. You will have to add the style to the pages
you put into the iframe--those of the document *with* the iframe will not
affect the content of the page *inside* the iframe.

You can find out about iframe attributes and such here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/objects/IFRAME.asp

Just some suggestions...
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#26

Eddie McHam wrote:

[snip]

Quote:

my SSI's can't get to its content. So far (knock on wood), that hasn't happened
yet.

~e

If you want to use fancy french acute accents:

Wrong>>>> resumé
Right>>>> résumé

Mick

#27

I think it's a terrible solution, personally, but creative. Try printing or
bookmarking some of that important information. The jump to top link fails
on Safari 1.2.3, and on IE5.2.3, the scrollbar is not there at all. In
FF1/PC, it works but I can see that you haven't defined a page background
color! 8)

Hmm - I may have to try this myself.... 8)

This approach is certainly not for the person who originally asked this
question, however.

(nice looking site, Eddie McHam)

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"Eddie McHam" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Murray won't like my reply to your question, but yes it can be done and no
it
does not require frames, iframes, or Flash. I do use CSS and server-side
includes, however. I did it on http://www.eddiemcham.com/ and it works
just
fine and dandy. Sure, it's not 100% perfect for 100% of all web
users....but
then hey, name me one website that is. If this is what you're looking for
~
and you don't mind that it's not the most user-friendly thing in the world
~
then I'd be happy to share with you how I did it. I'd write it down right
now,
except I'm busy at work at the moment. While it's true what someone else
said
about using templates and that the common elements do download fairly
quickly,
I don't like the fact that it has to call the server for all those items.
What
if your server suddenly goes belly up while you're in the middle of
pulling
down someone's web pages? You're assuming the user's browser has already
cached
all those items. Maybe not. You never know. That's why I did my site the
way I
did. Everything gets loaded only once ~ the only potential problem is if
one of
my SSI's can't get to its content. So far (knock on wood), that hasn't
happened
yet.

~e

#28

Mick White wrote:

Quote:

How can something be very true? Isn't something either true or not true?

Do you follow politics? You see a LOT of half truths there. ;-)

Gary

#29

Murray *TMM* wrote:

Quote:

I think it's a terrible solution, personally, but creative.

It might be, but there's not much there for those of us with JavaScript
turned off.

Gary

#30

Oh ye of little faith.....the home page doesn't lend itself well to printing,
true. That's why I have a 'download resume' link. Surely just about everyone
can print a Word or PDF document.....can't they?

About Safari, I only know
one person who uses a Mac, and when I tried it on his copy of Safari, it looked
fine. I don't recall what version he was running, though, so it's been a while.
I gave up on Opera ~ that browser just sucks all around anyway. If and when it
gets to be as popular ar IE or FF, then I'll resume worrying about Opera. 'Til
then, that fat lady has sung her last solo, as far as I'm concerned.... :P
Although, I guess it would be beneficial to post some little 'best viewed
in...' blurb. But thanks for the overall compliment!!!!! ~e