learning coding complaint

I am a fairly new web designer and you can see my current site at
www.designbytreitner.com and shortly i plain to have a much better site up
providing i can finish it anyway. See i went to college for web design and got
hosed by a bad education system anyway, they did fine with the basics and stuff
like software and such. When it came to the advanced stuff i found out there
wasn't any since not one instructor was a trained web designer or developer
dispite the colleges false claims. They said we were on our own to learn the
advanced stuff like coding. So here is my observations or complaints about the
industry i have discovered so far. Most who write books and tutorials are not
the experts they claim to be. I have spent many days trying things out only to
find every time the stuff they post is either not geared to beginners, or
complete garbage as in most cases. I'd like to learn perhaps php good enough to
code my own working forms with at least 3 basic areas, name, email, comments
that include varification and decent security along with a thankyou page. The
problem is i can't find one person who provides a working tutorial that
actually works correctly, explains everything in beginner language, and is up
to date. Crap from 2000 oe 2002 is out of date. Anyone know an up to date,
tutorial, that actually works, today that includes the basic elements i need,
and teaches at a begginers language. i'm tired of finding site after site that
is badly out of date, tries to teach me hello world, or is writen by a boob
that didn't even varify that the tutotial he posted actually works. By the way,
no i'm not the problem, dispite the bad typing skills shown here, i maintained
almost a perfect 4.0 in college. i can learn anything providing the person
instructing actually knows what they are doing and can actually explain it, a
combo i found out that is pretty much non existant in most cases.

rtreitner wrote:

So here is my observations or complaints
about the industry i have discovered so far. Most who write books and
tutorials are not the experts they claim to be.

Whilst I can't comment on anything else, I can say - from reading his books
and postings on this and other newsgroup - that David Powers is most
certainly the expert you need for PHP. His books are available on Amazon if
you can't find them in your local bookstore.

He does cover the subjects that you are currently looking for help on, and
he even capitalises his sentences...

Regards,

Pete.
--
Peter Connolly
http://www.kpdirection.com
Utah

Thanks PeteC I will have to look that one up.

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:18:20 +0000 (UTC), "rtreitner"
<webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote:

Most who write books and tutorials are not
the experts they claim to be.

If you're interested in learning PHP, you won't go wrong with one of
David Powers' books.

Gary

Petec, seems David Powers is not someone I want to buy from, he's a fake. Too many readers are complaining his books are not for beginners, and more saying there are to many mistakes in his books.

rtreitner wrote:

Petec, seems David Powers is not someone I want to buy from, he's a fake. Too many readers are complaining his books are not for beginners, and more saying there are to many mistakes in his books.

Not according to the comments in Amazon - where did you get this
information?

--
chin chin
Sinclair

rtreitner wrote:

Petec, seems David Powers is not someone I want to buy from, he's a fake. Too many readers are complaining his books are not for beginners, and more saying there are to many mistakes in his books.

Fake? Think your confused, hang around these forums and see just how
good a tutor he is.

Maybe these beginners aren't able to learn in the way David is teaching?
Maybe you can't learn anything from him? But its worth a try, isn't
it? Do you trust every opinion you read on the web? I certainly don't,
cos you nearly always read the negatives, the people with positive
things to say are happily getting on with there life's.

First I got the comments about the books from amazon buyers who got the book.
Commonly good reviews on most books come from users who already have some
experience with some coding languages, so they know when to fill in the blanks,
and reconize many errors. I look for reviewers with no such skills wanting to
learn the languge. This tells me better, if a book is geared toward beginners,
and the included code works. Many books say beginners, but require experience
with some coding to understand, hence not truely a book for beginners. They
sell so many copies many times, only because they misrepresent the skills
levels. Another, thing is many authors do not have their examples proofed and
in many cases, the examples are wrong. A beginner will miss the errors, so
these books are worthless for us to learn from when material is not properly
presented. So my question remains, the need for a good, well written book, that
it's examples are error free, and the book is geared toward actual beginers.

rtreitner wrote:

Petec, seems David Powers is not someone I want to buy from, he's a
fake. Too many readers are complaining his books are not for
beginners, and more saying there are to many mistakes in his books.

Fake? Complaints? I think not. David is one of the most accurate and
consciencious authors I've come across. If there are any mistakes, post
here - David himself would probably answer you, as will any of the myriad
other PHP programmers in this forum.

Anyway, it's obvious from your postings here that you are more interested in
arguing than actually learning anything. Please take your 'almost perfect
4.0' (was that on a scale of 0-100?) away.

Pete.
--
Peter Connolly
http://www.kpdirection.com
Utah

Someone named Tim remarked about my snide comments towards Alen. The fact
remains, I asked for sources to learn how to write my own php script, not
sources on how to use and adapt someone elses code. I can find plenty of code
to use, without ever learning a thing. The point of learning how is to learn
step by step how to code such script and why. I basically stated many so-called
experts out there really provide garbage us beginners run across all the time.
Its not usually because we are stupid, it because the so called expert screwed
up the easy example he posted. We can't learn if no one can explain how they
did it, without coding errors.