Re: flash detection kit

and you do, of course, realize that flash is already installed on 98% of all computers, worldwide?

what on earth do you need a "detection kit" for?

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nekkochan wrote:

and you do, of course, realize that flash is already installed on 98% of all computers, worldwide?

what on earth do you need a "detection kit" for?

Maybe to see which version of Flash is installed?


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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:32:24 +0000 (UTC), "nekkochan"
<webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote:

and you do, of course, realize that flash is already installed on 98%
of all computers, worldwide?

I venture to say that 98% is a bit high. I know that none of the 20 or
so computers at our office have the Flash player. At home, I have
several browsers and the only one that has the Flash player is IE, which
I almost never use.

what on earth do you need a "detection kit" for?

To avoid getting stung by erroneous assumptions, like above. ;-)


Gary

Gary White wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:32:24 +0000 (UTC), "nekkochan"
webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote:


and you do, of course, realize that flash is already installed on 98%
of all computers, worldwide?


I venture to say that 98% is a bit high. I know that none of the 20 or
so computers at our office have the Flash player. At home, I have
several browsers and the only one that has the Flash player is IE, which
I almost never use.

Yeah, 98% is a bit high. It's actually "only" 97.4%. I assume the
failing 2.6% are the ones you just mentioned. ;-)



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98% is about right actually, taken from various stat sites on the web.

Detection makes for good design, just like user input validation it is
important to make sure users can see/use/interact with your content
and know what they need to do in order to continue if there is a
problem.

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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:32:24 +0000 (UTC), "nekkochan"
<webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote:

and you do, of course, realize that flash is already installed on 98% of all computers, worldwide?

what on earth do you need a "detection kit" for?

=`)

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 18:34:09 +0200, Dan Vendel *GOF*
<see_my_signature_ (AT) _the_bottom_of_the_post (DOT) org> wrote:

Yeah, 98% is a bit high. It's actually "only" 97.4%. I assume the
failing 2.6% are the ones you just mentioned. ;-)

Whatever. :-)


Gary

Yeah, 98% is a bit high. It's actually "only" 97.4%. I assume the
failing 2.6% are the ones you just mentioned. ;-)

Whatever. :-)


Gary

and so we return to my point, which is this: the overwhelming majority of all
users already have the player,
and the measly 2.6 percent who don't arent very bloody likely to install it.

so, they arent' going to see your media ANYWAY, which once again begs the
question:

what on earth do you need to "detect" for?

Thats complete rubbish, no offence.

Detection is usefull for many things.

eg. a large corporate network doesnt update their plugins unless they
are either told to by their users or dont realise that they need to.

So detection gives a user a prompt to update/install a plugin, and
they forward this to their network admin.

This is obviously the mentality that if it works on my computer it
will on everyone elses, which is unprofessional and bad form.

Due to the large combination of browsers, operating systems and
devices that can now display flash content detection is an absolute
must, not something that you bursh under the carpet because you dont
or wont understand how or why it can/should be used.

Cheers,
Tom


On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:12:41 +0000 (UTC), "nekkochan"
<webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote:

Yeah, 98% is a bit high. It's actually "only" 97.4%. I assume the
failing 2.6% are the ones you just mentioned. ;-)


Whatever. :-)


Gary

and so we return to my point, which is this: the overwhelming majority of all
users already have the player,
and the measly 2.6 percent who don't arent very bloody likely to install it.

so, they arent' going to see your media ANYWAY, which once again begs the
question:

what on earth do you need to "detect" for?

On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:12:41 +0000 (UTC), "nekkochan"
<webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote:

what on earth do you need to "detect" for?

When I put Flash on a page, I use detection to replace it with alternate
content for users who do not have the correct version of the Flash
player to view the movie. I suspect that the true number of non-flash
browsers is closer to 10% than it is to 97.4% and that some percentage
of those with the player will be an older version that may not work on
the movie in the page.


Gary

Whoa....what a response!

Okay, lemme explain: I want to use this detection kit cause you'd be
surprised at how many people either do not have flash or the correct version on
their PC's, esp. here in South Africa. I know that overseas is a different
story, but here things are still, how can I put it, slow (esp. our lines). I
want everyone to be happy with the site, even the 10% or whatever, that might
not have flash, as amongst this group might fall the client that counts. Call
me a perfectionist, but I dod not want people to look at an empty screen while
the PC looks for Macromedia (which takes ages) to ask the user to download
flash - they often give up and close the site. I'd rather they look at a "this
site contains flash....blah, balh and would you like to download now" My
problem seems to be, at the moment, that the site does not open at all until
that gray box aske the user to install flash.

I want to prevent this from happening and need help.

Karin