Re: avoiding flash

#1

Louise:

Kaosweaver and PVII have extensions that will do this. You should be
concerned about adding weight if your images are heavy.

And the fading is not going to be cross-browser, and will add javascript to
the page. I'd elect not to do this.

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"Louise" <LouiseKennedyNOSPAM (AT) NOSPAMcomcast (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

I'd like to have a sequence of different photographs swapped out say at 5
second intervals, maybe fading in and out, but not with a mouse over
command, I just want it to happen on its own. But I don't want to do it
with
flash. Is there a way to do this? Could I do this in javascript? I'm also
worried about adding weight to the page.

The photographs would be the eye candy of the page, so it's important that
this works smoothly.

thank you for any help.

Louise

#2

Murray, thank you

The weight is exactly what I'm worried about. It's already heavy with
scripts, even with them being sent to a js file. The Kaosweaver advanced
random image would work with a timed delay, but the example it shows is 35kb
on that page. Add centered drop downs, (not pvii sadly) images, etc.... the
added weight is prohibitive.

I'm not familiar with flash so I'm trying not to go there. But do you think
a simple flash file, such as this one, http://www.innovations.harvard.edu
would work instead of a javascript method?

Louise

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Quote:

Louise:

Kaosweaver and PVII have extensions that will do this. You should be
concerned about adding weight if your images are heavy.

And the fading is not going to be cross-browser, and will add javascript
to
the page. I'd elect not to do this.

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"Louise" <LouiseKennedyNOSPAM (AT) NOSPAMcomcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
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I'd like to have a sequence of different photographs swapped out say at
5
second intervals, maybe fading in and out, but not with a mouse over
command, I just want it to happen on its own. But I don't want to do it
with
flash. Is there a way to do this? Could I do this in javascript? I'm
also
worried about adding weight to the page.

The photographs would be the eye candy of the page, so it's important
that
this works smoothly.

thank you for any help.

Louise

#3

Louise:

Quote:

(not pvii sadly)

Why?

Quote:

But do you think
a simple flash file, such as this one,

That one is 88K.

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"Louise" <LouiseKennedyNOSPAM (AT) NOSPAMcomcast (DOT) net> wrote

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Murray, thank you

#4

Murray, I paesslered it and only got 32.7 kb total image and html. How did
you read the 88k

L

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Louise:

(not pvii sadly)

Why?

But do you think
a simple flash file, such as this one,

That one is 88K.

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Murray, thank you

#5

Louise:

The Paessler weight does not include the Flash file which you must locate in
the browser's cache to measure.

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"Louise" <LouiseKennedyNOSPAM (AT) NOSPAMcomcast (DOT) net> wrote

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Murray, I paesslered it and only got 32.7 kb total image and html. How did
you read the 88k

L

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Louise:

(not pvii sadly)

Why?

But do you think
a simple flash file, such as this one,

That one is 88K.

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"Louise" <LouiseKennedyNOSPAM (AT) NOSPAMcomcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
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Murray, thank you

#6

Quote:

I'm not familiar with flash so I'm trying not to go there.

Use the right tool for the problem. In this case, Flash would most likely be
the lowest-weight, most cross-browser compliant way to do it. It's also
incredibly easy to do in flash.

-Darrel

#7

do you know of a good tutorial for this. I don't want to dive into flash
this week.....

L
"darrel" <darrel.austin (AT) courts (DOT) state.mn.us> wrote

Quote:

I'm not familiar with flash so I'm trying not to go there.

Use the right tool for the problem. In this case, Flash would most likely
be
the lowest-weight, most cross-browser compliant way to do it. It's also
incredibly easy to do in flash.

-Darrel

#8

Quote:

But being concerned with page weight already, and having a page that is
topping 35-40K before adding Flash, won't the tweened approach push her
well
over the acceptible target? As I recall, any tweening begins to escalate
Flash file sizes rapidly, no?

No. Tweening is just mathematical manipulation of the images, so it
certainly wouldn't be as weighty as a GIF animation, which has to render
each and every frame of the fade.

It'll most likely weigh about the same as the individual images.

-Darrel

#9

darrel:

I was thinking of it in terms of frames, hence my erroneous conclusing.
Thanks for a clarification.

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"darrel" <darrel.austin (AT) courts (DOT) state.mn.us> wrote

Quote:

But being concerned with page weight already, and having a page that is
topping 35-40K before adding Flash, won't the tweened approach push her
well
over the acceptible target? As I recall, any tweening begins to
escalate
Flash file sizes rapidly, no?

No. Tweening is just mathematical manipulation of the images, so it
certainly wouldn't be as weighty as a GIF animation, which has to render
each and every frame of the fade.

It'll most likely weigh about the same as the individual images.

-Darrel

#10

Quote:

I was thinking of it in terms of frames, hence my erroneous conclusing.
Thanks for a clarification.

It is a bit confusing at first. Flash *is* a frame-based animation tool at
its foundation. However, the big advantage (in terms of animation) is that
you can tween. Tweening takes frame 1 and let's say frame 50 and looks at
the differences. It then will animate the frames in between on-the-fly, so
the only thing you actually need to download is frame 1 and frame 50, and
your computer (namely the Flash Player PlugIn) will create the other 48
frames for you. In addition, you can use symbols and actionscript to add
more motion/interactivity/objects without actually increasing download size.

However, if you are making a true framed-based animation...what you'd
typically see in traditional animation, then, yes, you'd have to download
each frame.

-Darrel