Question about why frames are no longer acceptable?

Murray - finally I understand the footer on your emails!

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Was it a frame house? <rimshot

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"Bonnie in Sacramento" <kroko (AT) endofmyropesbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote in message
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Barry Clark wrote:

Is there a definitive article somewhere on why frames are no longer
considered acceptable in WEB design? I'm switching to purely CSS based
sites
for other reasons, and will probably get away frames as well - but why
are
people against them? Is it purely because search engines don't like
them?

Just thought I'd ask - you can never have too much information!

KRs

Barry

Just an example (and I've never used frames, being lucky in my
newbieness never to have come across the option). A few months ago DiMa
and I were looking for a place around Big Bear to hold a little--uh,
mini-conference/party weekend or something. We found a great place with
vacation houses to rent. We were looking ONLY at houses that would
sleep (sorry, that doesn't seem like a transitive verb, but you know
what I mean) 15 or more people. Well, on this one very good site, you
could click on a particular town or area in the neighborhood, and then
select various houses, some of which slept far too few people to be
interesting to us. When I tried to send Diana booksmarks to
**specific** houses, they didn't work, because the site was built in
frames and all I could send her was the main page of the agency that had
the rentals. In other words, the hyperlink I copied from the www bar
above the site was not designed to show the particular page. We both
found this somewhat annoying, to say the least, as we had to invidually
navigate each location to find the house we were looking for.


HTH
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"Barry Clark" <b.clark (AT) clinmed (DOT) gla.ac.uk> wrote

Murray - finally I understand the footer on your emails!

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"Barry Clark" <b.clark (AT) clinmed (DOT) gla.ac.uk> wrote

Is there a definitive article somewhere on why frames are no longer
considered acceptable in WEB design?
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Just thought I'd ask - you can never have too much information!

KRs

Barry

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Dr Barry Clark
Senior Lecturer
Medical Education Unit
Faculty of Medicine
Wolfson Medical School Building
University of Glasgow
Glasgow G12 8QQ
Tel: 0141-330-4248
Email: b.clark (AT) clinmed (DOT) gla.ac.uk

As you have seen, the camps are divided on this issue; as they are on many
other issues. If you want to create accessible web pages it will, IMHO, be
easier using CSS. If you need to have something like a navigation "frame",
that is always visible, you *do not* have to use frames. You can
use layers. example here

http://www.crewecvs.org.uk/terry/tmp/menu_example.html

The following text has been extracted from
http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#frames

"For visually enabled users, frames may organize a page into different
zones. For non-visual users, relationships between the content in frames
(e.g., one frame has a table of contents, another the contents themselves)
must be conveyed through other means.

Frames as implemented today (with the FRAMESET, FRAME, and IFRAME elements)
are problematic for several reasons:

Without scripting, they tend to break the "previous page" functionality
offered by browsers.
It is impossible to refer to the "current state" of a frameset with a URI;
once a frameset changes contents, the original URI no longer applies.
Opening a frame in a new browser window can disorient or simply annoy
users."

HTH

Terry