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Re: Pop Up Menus as Library Items -
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It doesn't take much knowledge to hand edit links in a js file, and I do see the amount of posts about this and who is asking the questions. Someone could learn how to edit the links in the FW menus faster than it would be to learn how to make show-hide menus. but..... The biggest problem with the DW/FW menus is the size of the code. All of the other issues can be easily surmounted, but the size of the code is reason in itself not to learn the methods to surmount the other issues. -- Regards, ..Trent Pastrana www.fourlevel.com ----------------------------- "Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cckte4$t6c$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... However - in fairness, I must say this. If you have a Library item with the PVII method menu (i.e., using show-hide layers), and you need to add a new element to the menu, without going into the code, you are hosed. In this case, you are hosed with any approach. Nevertheless, if all you want to do is to change any visual aspect of the existing menu, you can do that easily with my approach, and not with yours. -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver - THE BEST WAY TO GET ANSWERS ================== http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage! http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes ================== "T.Pastrana - 4Level" <aaaa (AT) aaaa (DOT) com> wrote in message news:ccksnh$sht$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Yes I do understand but your misleading the sheep :-) You said that you would not have any of these problems at all if the show-hide methods were used but the same problems would still exist because they rely on behaviors as well and if used in Library items would still be problematic if edits are needed. -- Regards, ..Trent Pastrana www.fourlevel.com ----------------------------- "Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:ccks79$s2q$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Of course, you are right, but you're not reading the post, Trent. The question is about editing these menus in Library items. You cannot. It's not about the linking. Any change to any aspect of the menu system in a Library item is not possible. Sure you can make changes to the javascript files, but that's not what this question is about. -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver - THE BEST WAY TO GET ANSWERS ================== http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage! http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes ================== "T.Pastrana - 4Level" <aaaa (AT) aaaa (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cckrui$roq$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... This is a serious downside to the use of Library items for menus, PARTICULARLY ANY MENU SYSTEM THAT EMBEDS YOUR LINKS IN JAVASCRIPT (the caps are for emphasis, not shouts). Not if absolute URLs are used for the links.... Then it is not a problem at all. -- Regards, ..Trent Pastrana www.fourlevel.com ----------------------------- "Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cckp6j$p7b$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Once ANY page element with behaviors applied has been made into a Library item, you can no longer edit the applied behavior. Why? Because the Library item has no <head> and no <body>. Look at the code. Furthermore, adding such tags into a Library item would create problems for you on the containing pages which would now find themselves with multiple head / body> tags - ewww. This is a serious downside to the use of Library items for menus, PARTICULARLY ANY MENU SYSTEM THAT EMBEDS YOUR LINKS IN JAVASCRIPT (the caps are for emphasis, not shouts). On the other hand, had you made your menu the easy way that I recommended (http://www.projectseven.com/), you would not have these problems at all. -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver - THE BEST WAY TO GET ANSWERS ================== http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage! http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes ================== "dbnewman" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cckosb$orf$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Bummer. Is there any other wsywig package that will be able to create that kind of menu that could be updated from a library or a template? Does FrontPage or GoLive have this kind of funtionality? |
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Thanks - I'll just add that the benefit of learning how to build those menus using ordinary AP divisions and show-hide is something that they will use every day from that point forward. While it's important to learn how to edit links in javascript, I cannot say that this knowledge will have the same impact. -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver - THE BEST WAY TO GET ANSWERS ================== http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage! http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes ================== "T.Pastrana - 4Level" <aaaa (AT) aaaa (DOT) com> wrote in message news:ccktrh$ak$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... It doesn't take much knowledge to hand edit links in a js file, and I do see the amount of posts about this and who is asking the questions. Someone could learn how to edit the links in the FW menus faster than it would be to learn how to make show-hide menus. but..... The biggest problem with the DW/FW menus is the size of the code. All of the other issues can be easily surmounted, but the size of the code is reason in itself not to learn the methods to surmount the other issues. -- Regards, ..Trent Pastrana www.fourlevel.com ----------------------------- "Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cckte4$t6c$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... However - in fairness, I must say this. If you have a Library item with the PVII method menu (i.e., using show-hide layers), and you need to add a new element to the menu, without going into the code, you are hosed. In this case, you are hosed with any approach. Nevertheless, if all you want to do is to change any visual aspect of the existing menu, you can do that easily with my approach, and not with yours. -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver - THE BEST WAY TO GET ANSWERS ================== http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage! http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes ================== "T.Pastrana - 4Level" <aaaa (AT) aaaa (DOT) com> wrote in message news:ccksnh$sht$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Yes I do understand but your misleading the sheep :-) You said that you would not have any of these problems at all if the show-hide methods were used but the same problems would still exist because they rely on behaviors as well and if used in Library items would still be problematic if edits are needed. -- Regards, ..Trent Pastrana www.fourlevel.com ----------------------------- "Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:ccks79$s2q$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Of course, you are right, but you're not reading the post, Trent. The question is about editing these menus in Library items. You cannot. It's not about the linking. Any change to any aspect of the menu system in a Library item is not possible. Sure you can make changes to the javascript files, but that's not what this question is about. -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver - THE BEST WAY TO GET ANSWERS ================== http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage! http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes ================== "T.Pastrana - 4Level" <aaaa (AT) aaaa (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cckrui$roq$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... This is a serious downside to the use of Library items for menus, PARTICULARLY ANY MENU SYSTEM THAT EMBEDS YOUR LINKS IN JAVASCRIPT (the caps are for emphasis, not shouts). Not if absolute URLs are used for the links.... Then it is not a problem at all. -- Regards, ..Trent Pastrana www.fourlevel.com ----------------------------- "Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cckp6j$p7b$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Once ANY page element with behaviors applied has been made into a Library item, you can no longer edit the applied behavior. Why? Because the Library item has no <head> and no <body>. Look at the code. Furthermore, adding such tags into a Library item would create problems for you on the containing pages which would now find themselves with multiple head / body> tags - ewww. This is a serious downside to the use of Library items for menus, PARTICULARLY ANY MENU SYSTEM THAT EMBEDS YOUR LINKS IN JAVASCRIPT (the caps are for emphasis, not shouts). On the other hand, had you made your menu the easy way that I recommended (http://www.projectseven.com/), you would not have these problems at all. -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver - THE BEST WAY TO GET ANSWERS ================== http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage! http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes ================== "dbnewman" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cckosb$orf$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Bummer. Is there any other wsywig package that will be able to create that kind of menu that could be updated from a library or a template? Does FrontPage or GoLive have this kind of funtionality? |
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Doesn't help the original poster with either method I suspect. -- Regards, ..Trent Pastrana www.fourlevel.com ----------------------------- "Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cckv86$1jr$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Thanks - I'll just add that the benefit of learning how to build those menus using ordinary AP divisions and show-hide is something that they will use every day from that point forward. While it's important to learn how to edit links in javascript, I cannot say that this knowledge will have the same impact. -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver - THE BEST WAY TO GET ANSWERS ================== http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage! http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes ================== "T.Pastrana - 4Level" <aaaa (AT) aaaa (DOT) com> wrote in message news:ccktrh$ak$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... It doesn't take much knowledge to hand edit links in a js file, and I do see the amount of posts about this and who is asking the questions. Someone could learn how to edit the links in the FW menus faster than it would be to learn how to make show-hide menus. but..... The biggest problem with the DW/FW menus is the size of the code. All of the other issues can be easily surmounted, but the size of the code is reason in itself not to learn the methods to surmount the other issues. -- Regards, ..Trent Pastrana www.fourlevel.com ----------------------------- "Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cckte4$t6c$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... However - in fairness, I must say this. If you have a Library item with the PVII method menu (i.e., using show-hide layers), and you need to add a new element to the menu, without going into the code, you are hosed. In this case, you are hosed with any approach. Nevertheless, if all you want to do is to change any visual aspect of the existing menu, you can do that easily with my approach, and not with yours. -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver - THE BEST WAY TO GET ANSWERS ================== http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage! http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes ================== "T.Pastrana - 4Level" <aaaa (AT) aaaa (DOT) com> wrote in message news:ccksnh$sht$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Yes I do understand but your misleading the sheep :-) You said that you would not have any of these problems at all if the show-hide methods were used but the same problems would still exist because they rely on behaviors as well and if used in Library items would still be problematic if edits are needed. -- Regards, ..Trent Pastrana www.fourlevel.com ----------------------------- "Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:ccks79$s2q$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Of course, you are right, but you're not reading the post, Trent. The question is about editing these menus in Library items. You cannot. It's not about the linking. Any change to any aspect of the menu system in a Library item is not possible. Sure you can make changes to the javascript files, but that's not what this question is about. -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver - THE BEST WAY TO GET ANSWERS ================== http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage! http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes ================== "T.Pastrana - 4Level" <aaaa (AT) aaaa (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cckrui$roq$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... This is a serious downside to the use of Library items for menus, PARTICULARLY ANY MENU SYSTEM THAT EMBEDS YOUR LINKS IN JAVASCRIPT (the caps are for emphasis, not shouts). Not if absolute URLs are used for the links.... Then it is not a problem at all. -- Regards, ..Trent Pastrana www.fourlevel.com ----------------------------- "Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cckp6j$p7b$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Once ANY page element with behaviors applied has been made into a Library item, you can no longer edit the applied behavior. Why? Because the Library item has no <head> and no <body>. Look at the code. Furthermore, adding such tags into a Library item would create problems for you on the containing pages which would now find themselves with multiple head / body> tags - ewww. This is a serious downside to the use of Library items for menus, PARTICULARLY ANY MENU SYSTEM THAT EMBEDS YOUR LINKS IN JAVASCRIPT (the caps are for emphasis, not shouts). On the other hand, had you made your menu the easy way that I recommended (http://www.projectseven.com/), you would not have these problems at all. -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver - THE BEST WAY TO GET ANSWERS ================== http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage! http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes ================== "dbnewman" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cckosb$orf$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Bummer. Is there any other wsywig package that will be able to create that kind of menu that could be updated from a library or a template? Does FrontPage or GoLive have this kind of funtionality? |
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