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Ok, I'll bite. Why? I don't like any technology when it's abused, but why not, for instance, use Flash to present an audio clip on a web site? -- Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com Free Articles on the Business of Web Development Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet -- "Murray *ACE*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:g5g6rh$c6k$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Yeah. 8) -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Adobe Community Expert (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources ================== "P@tty Ayers ~ACE" <signup1REMOVE (AT) ayersvirtualREMOVE (DOT) com> wrote in message news:g5g6jl$bvm$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... In general? Really?? -- Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com Free Articles on the Business of Web Development Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet -- "Murray *ACE*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:g5g4j8$9qs$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... No sorry. I eschew in the general direction of Flash. 8) -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Adobe Community Expert (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources ================== "P@tty Ayers ~ACE" <signup1REMOVE (AT) ayersvirtualREMOVE (DOT) com> wrote in message news:g5g483$9hb$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Murray, you don't have any idea about my Flash audio player display problem, my other thread? :-\ -- Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com Free Articles on the Business of Web Development Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet -- "Murray *ACE*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:g5g40l$96v$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... I have a dot matrix printer you can HAVE! Got a free parallel port? -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Adobe Community Expert (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources ================== "P@tty Ayers ~ACE" <signup1REMOVE (AT) ayersvirtualREMOVE (DOT) com> wrote in message news:g5g3oj$918$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Great minds think alike, I guess, John, because those are all of the considerations my brother and I have been talking about endlessly for the past few weeks, and we've come to the same conclusions as you on just about everything. Windows Vista will take care of a lot of security issues. We're going to set him up with the free AVG Anti-Virus so that he doesn't have to keep paying. And yes, if there's such thing as a simple black-and-white inkjet printer left in the world, I hope we can find it! :-) -- Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com Free Articles on the Business of Web Development Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet -- "John T Smith" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote in message news:g5fvlv$4jb$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... A few other (random) thoughts A USB mouse will most likely be easier to use than the built in mouse pad... my wife (main user, when it is used) and I just do not like rubbing a thumb across a section of the computer Once he uses it it awhile, you may need to add a USB keyboard... I took our laptop with me when I was on a week long training trip recently, and "struggled" with the keyboard a bit... and this is on a wide model to accomodate the wide screen... it was usable, but I wouldn't want to HAVE to use it for very long Sadly... make sure it has (or buy and install) a good Internet security program... I use Norton which is "OK" if a bit "noisy" about patting itself on the back with notice popups... but do make sure you tell him that when the introductory period is over, he MUST pay the subscription fee to keep the product up to date so his computer doesn't get infected I work at a University so get good prices (sometimes free) on all Microsoft products... so use MS Office to match work... but I've read that Open Office does very well, so he should be happy with that If you also buy him a printer, consider how much and how often he will use it, and does he want color or just b&w For b&w I use an HP 1012 at work (current model is probably a later number) which is reasonably fast and, like all HP of that size, has the toner and drum in one unit so every time the toner runs out, you are also replacing the drum (Brother multi-function laser I have at home is separate components, and the drum is spendy) For color, I would stay AWAY from Epson... we had an Epson color inkjet, and found that if you didn't use it every day (which we didn't since we share the Brother laser) the ink jets would dry out and clog in a very short time (replaced by Epson twice, then we just threw it away) Wife now uses a Canon (can't remember the model) and even not using it every day (just when she wants to print a garden pic with color, to go in her plant book... or a snapshot of someone) she's not had problems with the ink head |
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The last thing he needs to do is have to deal with a touchpad WHILE he's climbing that whole learning curve. I wonder...mice can be problematic for anyone that's never used a computer. I wonder if they really are any more confusing than a trackpad for anyone that hasn't really used computers. It'd be an interesting study... Our generation probably can't think of using anything but the mouse, but the previous generation probably can't stand anything but the keyboard, and the new generation probably can't stand anything that's not an iphone touch screen or miniscule 10-digit texting keyboard. ;o) |
trackpad is just physically a lot harder to use than a mouse.
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I do when I have to. But it's not first out of my ditty bag, you know? So, I'm not so fluent with Flash stuff.... -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Adobe Community Expert (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources ================== "P@tty Ayers ~ACE" <signup1REMOVE (AT) ayersvirtualREMOVE (DOT) com> wrote in message news:g5g7k1$cuc$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Ok, I'll bite. Why? I don't like any technology when it's abused, but why not, for instance, use Flash to present an audio clip on a web site? -- Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com Free Articles on the Business of Web Development Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet -- "Murray *ACE*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:g5g6rh$c6k$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Yeah. 8) -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Adobe Community Expert (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources ================== "P@tty Ayers ~ACE" <signup1REMOVE (AT) ayersvirtualREMOVE (DOT) com> wrote in message news:g5g6jl$bvm$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... In general? Really?? -- Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com Free Articles on the Business of Web Development Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet -- "Murray *ACE*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:g5g4j8$9qs$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... No sorry. I eschew in the general direction of Flash. 8) -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Adobe Community Expert (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources ================== "P@tty Ayers ~ACE" <signup1REMOVE (AT) ayersvirtualREMOVE (DOT) com> wrote in message news:g5g483$9hb$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Murray, you don't have any idea about my Flash audio player display problem, my other thread? :-\ -- Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com Free Articles on the Business of Web Development Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet -- "Murray *ACE*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:g5g40l$96v$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... I have a dot matrix printer you can HAVE! Got a free parallel port? -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Adobe Community Expert (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources ================== "P@tty Ayers ~ACE" <signup1REMOVE (AT) ayersvirtualREMOVE (DOT) com> wrote in message news:g5g3oj$918$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Great minds think alike, I guess, John, because those are all of the considerations my brother and I have been talking about endlessly for the past few weeks, and we've come to the same conclusions as you on just about everything. Windows Vista will take care of a lot of security issues. We're going to set him up with the free AVG Anti-Virus so that he doesn't have to keep paying. And yes, if there's such thing as a simple black-and-white inkjet printer left in the world, I hope we can find it! :-) -- Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com Free Articles on the Business of Web Development Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet -- "John T Smith" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote in message news:g5fvlv$4jb$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... A few other (random) thoughts A USB mouse will most likely be easier to use than the built in mouse pad... my wife (main user, when it is used) and I just do not like rubbing a thumb across a section of the computer Once he uses it it awhile, you may need to add a USB keyboard... I took our laptop with me when I was on a week long training trip recently, and "struggled" with the keyboard a bit... and this is on a wide model to accomodate the wide screen... it was usable, but I wouldn't want to HAVE to use it for very long Sadly... make sure it has (or buy and install) a good Internet security program... I use Norton which is "OK" if a bit "noisy" about patting itself on the back with notice popups... but do make sure you tell him that when the introductory period is over, he MUST pay the subscription fee to keep the product up to date so his computer doesn't get infected I work at a University so get good prices (sometimes free) on all Microsoft products... so use MS Office to match work... but I've read that Open Office does very well, so he should be happy with that If you also buy him a printer, consider how much and how often he will use it, and does he want color or just b&w For b&w I use an HP 1012 at work (current model is probably a later number) which is reasonably fast and, like all HP of that size, has the toner and drum in one unit so every time the toner runs out, you are also replacing the drum (Brother multi-function laser I have at home is separate components, and the drum is spendy) For color, I would stay AWAY from Epson... we had an Epson color inkjet, and found that if you didn't use it every day (which we didn't since we share the Brother laser) the ink jets would dry out and clog in a very short time (replaced by Epson twice, then we just threw it away) Wife now uses a Canon (can't remember the model) and even not using it every day (just when she wants to print a garden pic with color, to go in her plant book... or a snapshot of someone) she's not had problems with the ink head |
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I don't think there's any issue of being "confused". The issue is that a trackpad is just physically a lot harder to use than a mouse. |
users where the mouse was completely unintuitive for them. A lot of users
still don't realize that you don't need to double-click everything ;o)
It was more of a curiosity question. I don't think a mouse is necessarily
anymore intuitive than a track pad to the completely unitiated. It'd be hard
to do a study, but it would be interested to see which was more intuitive
starting from a dead start.
-Darrel
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I don't think there's any issue of being "confused". The issue is that a trackpad is just physically a lot harder to use than a mouse. Is it? I think for you and me it is, but I've taught classes to new computer users where the mouse was completely unintuitive for them. A lot of users still don't realize that you don't need to double-click everything ;o) It was more of a curiosity question. I don't think a mouse is necessarily anymore intuitive than a track pad to the completely unitiated. It'd be hard to do a study, but it would be interested to see which was more intuitive starting from a dead start. |
I'm really not concerned about the intuitiveness, because he would he would
get the "what" and "how" quickly enough. I'm strictly talking about the
literal physical difficulty level. When I need to accomplish a task
requiring fine motor skills, I'm a lot better doing that using several of my
fingers and my opposable thumb than with a tiny part of one fingernail. I'm
pretty certain I'm not the only one.
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Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com
Free Articles on the Business of Web Development
Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet
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"darrel" <notreal (AT) nowhere (DOT) com> wrote in message news:g5gb4m$gka$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... I don't think there's any issue of being "confused". The issue is that a trackpad is just physically a lot harder to use than a mouse. Is it? I think for you and me it is, but I've taught classes to new computer users where the mouse was completely unintuitive for them. A lot of users still don't realize that you don't need to double-click everything ;o) It was more of a curiosity question. I don't think a mouse is necessarily anymore intuitive than a track pad to the completely unitiated. It'd be hard to do a study, but it would be interested to see which was more intuitive starting from a dead start. Your thoughts are interesting on how intuitive each type of pointer is, but I'm really not concerned about the intuitiveness, because he would he would get the "what" and "how" quickly enough. I'm strictly talking about the literal physical difficulty level. When I need to accomplish a task requiring fine motor skills, I'm a lot better doing that using several of my fingers and my opposable thumb than with a tiny part of one fingernail. I'm pretty certain I'm not the only one. -- Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com Free Articles on the Business of Web Development Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet -- |
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YOU HAVE AN OPPOSABLE THUMB? WHY WASN'T I INFORMED? -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Adobe Community Expert (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources ================== "P@tty Ayers ~ACE" <signup1REMOVE (AT) ayersvirtualREMOVE (DOT) com> wrote in message news:g5gdd3$ivs$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... "darrel" <notreal (AT) nowhere (DOT) com> wrote in message news:g5gb4m$gka$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... I don't think there's any issue of being "confused". The issue is that a trackpad is just physically a lot harder to use than a mouse. Is it? I think for you and me it is, but I've taught classes to new computer users where the mouse was completely unintuitive for them. A lot of users still don't realize that you don't need to double-click everything ;o) It was more of a curiosity question. I don't think a mouse is necessarily anymore intuitive than a track pad to the completely unitiated. It'd be hard to do a study, but it would be interested to see which was more intuitive starting from a dead start. Your thoughts are interesting on how intuitive each type of pointer is, but I'm really not concerned about the intuitiveness, because he would he would get the "what" and "how" quickly enough. I'm strictly talking about the literal physical difficulty level. When I need to accomplish a task requiring fine motor skills, I'm a lot better doing that using several of my fingers and my opposable thumb than with a tiny part of one fingernail. I'm pretty certain I'm not the only one. -- Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com Free Articles on the Business of Web Development Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet -- |
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