OT: Have you upgraded to Vista?

#31

<shrug>

I dunno. I didn't have these problems at all. And I dare say my network is
no simpler than this one.

Anyhow, I sent you an email earlier - did you get it?

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"Michael Fesser" <netizen (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote

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.oO(Murray *ACE*)

I agree.

I think the people who are the most offensively vituperative are those how
are supporting it in larger environments, not just single users.

My stepbrother wanted to use it in his own office in a rather simple
setup: a single Windows 2008 Server/64 bit and a single workstation on
Vista/64 bit, both connected over Gigabit Ethernet. Nothing special.
But the broken TCP stack in Vista rendered the network totally useless
(9 MB/s transfer rate? Come on!). That was the first big problem.

Next major issue were many missing drivers. I don't blame that directly
on Vista, but on the driver vendors, who obviously don't consider 64 bit
drivers a necessity. ISDN with remote CAPI and fax support on Vista/64
bit? Forget it (unless you pay hundreds of Euros). Not a problem on 2000
or XP, though.

Then there were various smaller issues, some of which you probably won't
notice in the English version. But in localized versions it's confusing
if one application calls a folder on disk "Users", the other one shows
the same folder as "Benutzer" - nothing special, it's just the German
translation. But because it's that inconsistent, it's totally useless
and just confusing. You never know what goes on behind the scenes and
what Vista really does with your data in the back.

Did I already mention the annoying User Account Control? And why are so
many operations on Vista slow as glue even on a Dual Core with 3 GB RAM?
Why does Vista often don't show estimations about how long a particular
operation might last? Neither a time guess nor a useful progression bar.
Every previous Windows did that much better!

So what's left? The really useful features are missing, instead we get
useless new animations and even more decorational stuff. Good work, MS.

If it works for you, OK. But I've had enough. We've wasted more than
three days trying to get the system up and running on the same (or at
least close to) level as XP - impossible. Vista is a no-no for me.

Micha

#32

..oO(Murray *ACE*)

Quote:

Anyhow, I sent you an email earlier - did you get it?

Hmm, not yet. Just to be sure I also checked my spam and trash folders.
Nothing. When did you send it?

Micha

#33

..oO(Murray *ACE*)

Quote:

Anyhow, I sent you an email earlier - did you get it?

Hmm, not yet. Just to be sure I also checked my spam and trash folders.
Nothing. When did you send it?

Micha

#34

Early this morning - I'll resend it. Is your email below the best address
to use?

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"Michael Fesser" <netizen (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote

Quote:

.oO(Murray *ACE*)

Anyhow, I sent you an email earlier - did you get it?

Hmm, not yet. Just to be sure I also checked my spam and trash folders.
Nothing. When did you send it?

Micha

#35

Early this morning - I'll resend it. Is your email below the best address
to use?

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"Michael Fesser" <netizen (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote

Quote:

.oO(Murray *ACE*)

Anyhow, I sent you an email earlier - did you get it?

Hmm, not yet. Just to be sure I also checked my spam and trash folders.
Nothing. When did you send it?

Micha

#36

..oO(Murray *ACE*)

Quote:

Early this morning - I'll resend it. Is your email below the best address
to use?

It's my public one (just forwards everything to my private mailbox) and
usually works well. There's a bunch of spam filters enabled, but the
last false positive was some years ago.

Anyway, you can also contact me directly at ... (AT) mfesser (DOT) de. Just choose
whatever you want before the '@' sign, e.g. your name or the current
date, doesn't matter (catch-all setup).

Micha

#37

..oO(Murray *ACE*)

Quote:

Early this morning - I'll resend it. Is your email below the best address
to use?

It's my public one (just forwards everything to my private mailbox) and
usually works well. There's a bunch of spam filters enabled, but the
last false positive was some years ago.

Anyway, you can also contact me directly at ... (AT) mfesser (DOT) de. Just choose
whatever you want before the '@' sign, e.g. your name or the current
date, doesn't matter (catch-all setup).

Micha

#38

I'm with you. Mind you I'm always at least a year behind, wanting all the
bugs to be ironed out before I touch an "update". I'm perfectly happy with
XP - see no reason to change. I'm still on SP2. My husband is still on
Windows 2000 - and I think I'm a Luddite!

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"Michael Fesser" <netizen (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote

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.oO(kim)

I wonder how many of you running XP after July 08? From what I read MS
drops support for XP after the above date. So what are you guys doing...
upgrading or continue to run XP

I'll definitely stay with XP. Vista still has too many unfixed bugs,
annoying problems and way too high hardware requirements for almost
nothing. And I simply don't like it, especially all those stupid
restrictions in the cheaper versions. To get all the really useful
features which were often already built-in in 2000 and XP you have to
spend even more money and upgrade to one of the other two dozen
available versions ... stupid. Userfriendliness is something else.

XP on the other hand simply does what it's supposed to do and it does it
quite well. It runs stable and reliable even on an old P3 machine. What
want I more?

And if MS drops the support - I don't really care. Even now my system is
not fully patched (I'm still on SP2), simply because I don't have that
much of a need for that. My workstation is not directly connected to the
Internet, there's a router with packet filter in between. Additionally I
don't use IE and OE, which are still the biggest security holes.

Micha

#39

I'm with you. Mind you I'm always at least a year behind, wanting all the
bugs to be ironed out before I touch an "update". I'm perfectly happy with
XP - see no reason to change. I'm still on SP2. My husband is still on
Windows 2000 - and I think I'm a Luddite!

--
Jo

"Michael Fesser" <netizen (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote

Quote:

.oO(kim)

I wonder how many of you running XP after July 08? From what I read MS
drops support for XP after the above date. So what are you guys doing...
upgrading or continue to run XP

I'll definitely stay with XP. Vista still has too many unfixed bugs,
annoying problems and way too high hardware requirements for almost
nothing. And I simply don't like it, especially all those stupid
restrictions in the cheaper versions. To get all the really useful
features which were often already built-in in 2000 and XP you have to
spend even more money and upgrade to one of the other two dozen
available versions ... stupid. Userfriendliness is something else.

XP on the other hand simply does what it's supposed to do and it does it
quite well. It runs stable and reliable even on an old P3 machine. What
want I more?

And if MS drops the support - I don't really care. Even now my system is
not fully patched (I'm still on SP2), simply because I don't have that
much of a need for that. My workstation is not directly connected to the
Internet, there's a router with packet filter in between. Additionally I
don't use IE and OE, which are still the biggest security holes.

Micha