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Re: Metatag Protocol question from newbie -
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John: Depending on your expertise and the size of the site, I would use the frames' pages to build a template, and copy and paste content into spawned child pages. Frames will be a nightmare for you.... -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver - THE BEST WAY TO GET ANSWERS ================== http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage! http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.DreamweaverFAQ.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes ================== "John" <john.flaherty1 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:beuhfa$f83$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Great! These look like useful sites. Well, having just completed a large site based on a 3-frame per page concept, I'm bummed. Each page has a left hand navigation bar, along with a sub-navigation bar at the top that opens for each of the links from the left bar. Is there some relatively easy way to de-frame it? What would I do, put it all into tables, instead? -- John Flaherty "Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:beuh2a$eal$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... John: SE issues are the very smallest of the monsters that come with frames. To read more go here - http://apptools.com/rants/framesevil.php Go here and read to find out more about how to manage SE spiders - http://spider-food.net -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver - THE BEST WAY TO GET ANSWERS ================== http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage! http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.DreamweaverFAQ.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes ================== "John" <john.flaherty1 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:beugsa$dv3$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Yikes! This opens up a whole other can of worms for me. It's finally beginning to sink in what a problem frames can be, i.e. search engines taking searchers to one particular frame of one of my 3-frame pages. Well, that's an issue for another day. For now, other than meta-tags, what is the best way of making sure that searchers find my site? -- John Flaherty "Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:beufsr$bpk$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... John: Yes - that's what I mean. The SE's now use quite sophisticated algorithms for parsing the page's importance and content from the readable information on the page, the use of <h1>, <h2>, <strong>, alt tags, image file names, location on the page, etc., etc., etc. Meta tags become quite useless in this context, since you can put anything you want in the meta tags with no regard for page content. -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver - THE BEST WAY TO GET ANSWERS ================== http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage! http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.DreamweaverFAQ.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes ================== "John" <john.flaherty1 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:beufma$bd8$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Huh? I realize that the porn industry has always been at the forefront of pushing the envelope on the web. But isn't the demise of metatags a step backwards? Unless, you're suggesting that things have advanced so far that they're just not necessary anymore. Is that what you mean? -- John Flaherty "Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:beuelf$94t$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... John: You have the porn industry to thank for the 'deprecation' of the meta tag. I frankly don't think your content in those areas will make any difference at all.... -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver - THE BEST WAY TO GET ANSWERS ================== http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage! http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.DreamweaverFAQ.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes ================== "John" <john.flaherty1 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:beue34$7tu$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Wow! I'm amazed. Well, is there any reason NOT to use them? I'm thinking if there's no downside and a potential additional benefit to using them, that I still will. Would that be a mistake? The last "magic number" I remember hearing from a few year ago was 7, as being the number of times not to exceed on any particular tag before it would become self-defeating. Is that still true? Thanks. John "Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:beual9$m7$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... John: They are not used much anymore. The content and arrangement of information on the page is much more important. -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver - THE BEST WAY TO GET ANSWERS ================== http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage! http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.DreamweaverFAQ.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes ================== "John" <john.flaherty1 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:beu8bf$pi0$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... I've been away from web design for awhile and coming back into it. What is the present protocol for metatags? As I recall there was a magic not-to-exceed number of times that a word or phrase could appear on any given page before it would become an issue with the search engines. Also, if there's any general overview site someone could point my too regarding metatags, I'd appreciate it. I've just searched the archives here, and much to my surprise I found nothing. Maybe they're not used anymore.........? Thanks John |
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OK, thanks Murray. I'll try that. I've actually used frames without problems up til now. This site I just built is modeled after my own sites from a few years ago, with the same 3-frame set up. I've never had a problem with it. I guess the only thing that scares me in this case is that it is for a client. I'm wondering if I should postpone the launch date and start over. -- John Flaherty "Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:beuhi6$fd1$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... John: Depending on your expertise and the size of the site, I would use the frames' pages to build a template, and copy and paste content into spawned child pages. Frames will be a nightmare for you.... -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver - THE BEST WAY TO GET ANSWERS ================== http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage! http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.DreamweaverFAQ.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes ================== "John" <john.flaherty1 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:beuhfa$f83$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Great! These look like useful sites. Well, having just completed a large site based on a 3-frame per page concept, I'm bummed. Each page has a left hand navigation bar, along with a sub-navigation bar at the top that opens for each of the links from the left bar. Is there some relatively easy way to de-frame it? What would I do, put it all into tables, instead? -- John Flaherty "Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:beuh2a$eal$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... John: SE issues are the very smallest of the monsters that come with frames. To read more go here - http://apptools.com/rants/framesevil.php Go here and read to find out more about how to manage SE spiders - http://spider-food.net -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver - THE BEST WAY TO GET ANSWERS ================== http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage! http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.DreamweaverFAQ.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes ================== "John" <john.flaherty1 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:beugsa$dv3$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Yikes! This opens up a whole other can of worms for me. It's finally beginning to sink in what a problem frames can be, i.e. search engines taking searchers to one particular frame of one of my 3-frame pages. Well, that's an issue for another day. For now, other than meta-tags, what is the best way of making sure that searchers find my site? -- John Flaherty "Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:beufsr$bpk$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... John: Yes - that's what I mean. The SE's now use quite sophisticated algorithms for parsing the page's importance and content from the readable information on the page, the use of <h1>, <h2>, <strong>, alt tags, image file names, location on the page, etc., etc., etc. Meta tags become quite useless in this context, since you can put anything you want in the meta tags with no regard for page content. -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver - THE BEST WAY TO GET ANSWERS ================== http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage! http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.DreamweaverFAQ.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes ================== "John" <john.flaherty1 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:beufma$bd8$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Huh? I realize that the porn industry has always been at the forefront of pushing the envelope on the web. But isn't the demise of metatags a step backwards? Unless, you're suggesting that things have advanced so far that they're just not necessary anymore. Is that what you mean? -- John Flaherty "Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:beuelf$94t$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... John: You have the porn industry to thank for the 'deprecation' of the meta tag. I frankly don't think your content in those areas will make any difference at all.... -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver - THE BEST WAY TO GET ANSWERS ================== http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage! http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.DreamweaverFAQ.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes ================== "John" <john.flaherty1 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:beue34$7tu$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... Wow! I'm amazed. Well, is there any reason NOT to use them? I'm thinking if there's no downside and a potential additional benefit to using them, that I still will. Would that be a mistake? The last "magic number" I remember hearing from a few year ago was 7, as being the number of times not to exceed on any particular tag before it would become self-defeating. Is that still true? Thanks. John "Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message news:beual9$m7$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... John: They are not used much anymore. The content and arrangement of information on the page is much more important. -- Murray --- ICQ 71997575 Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!) ================== news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver - THE BEST WAY TO GET ANSWERS ================== http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage! http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.DreamweaverFAQ.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes ================== "John" <john.flaherty1 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:beu8bf$pi0$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com... I've been away from web design for awhile and coming back into it. What is the present protocol for metatags? As I recall there was a magic not-to-exceed number of times that a word or phrase could appear on any given page before it would become an issue with the search engines. Also, if there's any general overview site someone could point my too regarding metatags, I'd appreciate it. I've just searched the archives here, and much to my surprise I found nothing. Maybe they're not used anymore.........? Thanks John |
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