How the Hell do I indent a paragraph!

"darrel" <notreal (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

No, a person SHOULD learn how HTML works if they intend to use it.

look my point is (and i think any rational being would agree)
that when one purchases a program like Dreamweaver,
he/she is interested in making a website....
99.999% of all websites have text.
most text documents involve indenting the first line of a paragraph (this
is a standard english rule).....why DW wouldn't have a simple way to indent
typed text (without known some code) seems illogical to me.....
why leave that feature out
while having the easy to use 'create an email link' feature?
doesn't make sense.

.oO(clark_kent)

"darrel" <notreal (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote


No, a person SHOULD learn how HTML works if they intend to use it.

bullshit....a person shouldn't have learn anything...that's why a
person buys something like DreamWeaver

Wrong (or "bullshit" if you like that more).

A tool is only as good as the person who uses it. If you know how to use
tools like DW you may be able to build good websites. If you don't know
what you're doing or how the things work behind the surface the result
will definitly be useless crap. Just have a look at many of DW-created
websites - you can tell at the first sight whether the author of the
site knows about HTML or not.

Editors like DW are _no_ replacement for knowledge, they are there to
support you in putting your knowledge into practice. If the knowledge is
zero, so will be the result.

Micha

.oO(clark_kent)

it's not like a word processor?

funny these keys i'm hitting seem to do the same thing in HTML....
type these symbols (known as letters) on the screen.....
sort of like a.......WORD PROCESSOR!

Hacking text into a machine is no word processing, you better stay with
a simple texteditor.

Micha

Michael Fesser <netizen (AT) gmx (DOT) net> wrote

A tool is only as good as the person who uses it. .........

then explain why Frontpage has the feature i'm clamoring for
and DW doesn't?

.oO(clark_kent)

Michael Fesser <netizen (AT) gmx (DOT) net> wrote


A tool is only as good as the person who uses it. .........

then explain why Frontpage has the feature i'm clamoring for
and DW doesn't?

If DW obviously doesn't fit your needs, why do you use it?

But I would be interested in seeing the FP-generated code of that
"feature" ...

Micha

clark_kent <clark_kent (AT) fbx (DOT) com> wrote:

most text documents involve indenting the first line of a paragraph (this
is a standard english rule).....why DW wouldn't have a simple way to indent
typed text (without known some code) seems illogical to me.....

I think you are looking for the text-indent CSS property.

See http://www.w3schools.com/css/tryit.asp?filename=trycss_text-indent
for an example.

/J\

Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
.oO(clark_kent)

"darrel" <notreal (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote


No, a person SHOULD learn how HTML works if they intend to use it.

bullshit....a person shouldn't have learn anything...that's why a
person buys something like DreamWeaver

Wrong (or "bullshit" if you like that more).

A tool is only as good as the person who uses it. If you know how to use
tools like DW you may be able to build good websites. If you don't know
what you're doing or how the things work behind the surface the result
will definitly be useless crap. Just have a look at many of DW-created
websites - you can tell at the first sight whether the author of the
site knows about HTML or not.

Editors like DW are _no_ replacement for knowledge, they are there to
support you in putting your knowledge into practice. If the knowledge is
zero, so will be the result.

Micha

IMO, HTML editors like DreamWeaver will sart gearing more and more towards
non-HTML coders (like Contribute). I.e. If you know how to use Word, you should
be able to _at least_ add content without worrying about HTML code and its
syntax. (This won't be the death of knowledgable Web developers, though - far
from it).

Some may remember the early DOS version of Word Perfect (4.1?), where you
could press F3 to "reveal code", or something like that. Now that I write HTML,
I notice how similar it is to Word Perfect's underlying code. In today's MS
Word, for example, people don't even see the underlying "code". So, in the
future, users should worry less and less about understanding HTML, just as
those who use word processors never think about it.

Now, if you could combine DreamWeaver with NetObject Fusion's excellent
WYSIWYG, what a product it would be! NOF's edit area allows you to drag and
drop a piece of text, or an image into the edit area. An image, for example,
will stay exactly where you dropped it, with no table cell sizing, or spacing
to worry about. And, if you want to move the image 5 pixels to the left, just
highlight the image and tap the left arrow 5 times. It'll stay in place.

Problem with NOF, though, is that it's a single-user approach to building Web
sites. No one else can collaborate, or contribute to the site unless they use
the same computer, same install.

sorry for getting a little off topic... 8)

Regards,

Chris

On 19 Jul 2004 in macromedia.dreamweaver, ChrisRi wrote:

Now, if you could combine DreamWeaver with NetObject Fusion's
excellent WYSIWYG, what a product it would be!

<hint>Because of the wide variety of screen sizes and user agents out
there in WWW-land, there's no such thing as a WYSIWYG web development
tool.</hint>

NOF's edit area allows you to drag and drop a piece of text, or an
image into the edit area. An image, for example, will stay exactly
where you dropped it, with no table cell sizing, or spacing to worry
about. And, if you want to move the image 5 pixels to the left, just
highlight the image and tap the left arrow 5 times. It'll stay in
place.

Can you post the URI to a NOF-created page? It'd be interesting to see
its code.

--
Joe Makowiec
http://makowiec.net/
Email: http://makowiec.net/email.php

bullshit....a person shouldn't have learn anything...that's why a
person buys something like DreamWeaver

right...and a person shouldn't have to learn how to drive but just buy a
car, or shouldn't have to learn how to build amish furniture but just buy a
saw, etc... ;o)

a tool is just a tool.

Now that I write HTML,
I notice how similar it is to Word Perfect's underlying code.

I used to always use the metaphor of WordStar. However, few people seem to
remember WordStar. ;o)

In many ways, we were better off in those days. Even people that know how to
use word really have no concept of proper document structure or how to use
styles efficiently. So, when they get to HTML, they're just carrying over
bad/lazy habits from Word and putting them in HTML.

NetObject Fusion's excellent WYSIWYG

That's a joke, right? ;o)

The problem with most editors is that people ASSUME that there really IS
such a thing as WYSIWYG on the web. It's a myth.

-Darrel

Can you post the URI to a NOF-created page? It'd be interesting to see
its code.

--
Joe Makowiec
http://makowiec.net/
Email: http://makowiec.net/email.php


Sure. This is one I put together 2 or 3 years ago for a poor kid with Duchenne
Muscular Dystrophy using NOF 5 (NOF 8 is now available):
http://www.tristangraham.com/.

Chris