fixed and varying font sizes

It appears that changing the default font size in various browser preferences
will affect the size of displayed type. It does with anything I have made.
However, I have come across a site where that does not happen. The viewer can
select the type, and increase it's size by command/shift/+ but altering prefs
leaves it at the original size.

Any ideas? What have I missed?

The site is http://www.gaggia.com/en-index.asp

Use Firefox, and you'll see it break. Or enable the accessability options
in IE, and you'll be able to change the font size. There is no way to
prevent it.

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"untitled" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote

It appears that changing the default font size in various browser
preferences
will affect the size of displayed type. It does with anything I have
made.
However, I have come across a site where that does not happen. The viewer
can
select the type, and increase it's size by command/shift/+ but altering
prefs
leaves it at the original size.

Any ideas? What have I missed?

The site is http://www.gaggia.com/en-index.asp

Hi Murray,

You response to my post doesn't seem correct.

I used both Firefox and IE (Mac OS X) and they did not affect the text. As
neither did Safari or Mozilla.

http://www.gaggia.com/en-index.asp

About half way down on the left side is black text that I copied and pasted
below, that does not change size or color with any of four browser preferences.

This is the text...

The GAGGIA tradition in an advanced lever-operated espresso machine that makes
one cup after another without pause.


I tried emailing you but got a returned mail.


Regards,
John Bicht

Versalab Inc.
We make life more fun!
http://versalab.com
1509 Sunnyside Drive
Loveland, CO 80538
970.622.0240

..oO(untitled)

http://www.gaggia.com/en-index.asp

About half way down on the left side is black text that I copied and pasted
below, that does not change size or color with any of four browser preferences.

http://www.mfesser.de/temp/gaggia.com/ff.png [43K]
http://www.mfesser.de/temp/gaggia.com/ie.png [58K]

Micha

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:00:21 +0000 (UTC), "untitled"
<webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote:

I used both Firefox and IE (Mac OS X) and they did not affect the text. As
neither did Safari or Mozilla.

http://www.gaggia.com/en-index.asp

Here is that page in IE/Windows:
http://apptools.com/images/temp/gaggia_ie.gif

And here it is in Firefox/Windows:
http://apptools.com/images/temp/gaggia_ff.gif

And here it is in Opera/Windows:
http://apptools.com/images/temp/gaggia_opera.gif

Of course the size is increased quite a lot on all of them, just to make
the point.

Gary

Thank you all very mch. It was impossible for me to see in the Mac browsers.
What I don't get, it how they managed to make it so that the Mac browsers
wouldn't affect them, but does affect our stuff. http://www.versalab.com

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:23:50 +0000 (UTC), "untitled"
<webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote:

Thank you all very mch. It was impossible for me to see in the Mac browsers.
What I don't get, it how they managed to make it so that the Mac browsers
wouldn't affect them, but does affect our stuff. http://www.versalab.com

The point is that you CANNOT prevent the text from being resized. Once
you get your mind wrapped around that and design with that in mind, the
sooner your sanity will return. ;-)

Gary

Gary's point is valid, but sometimes it's still helpfull to understand what's
going on. The gaggia site specificies font size in px. Some browsers (with
default settings) do not resize fonts that are specificed this way.

Since you can't control the browser, you must assume that all text is
resizable. And that's the way it should be. As a content consumer, you don't
want a web page dictating how big your text should be. What if it's not big
enough for you to read easily?

You need to focus on creating pages that don't break when the text is resized
- since you are using layers, you're going to have problems with this.

Once again, great thanks for all the information. It becomes easy to design
the stuff - within my desires - when one knows the rules. I had assumed the
resizable situation was unavoidable, but there was this odd response on the
Gaggia site. I couldn't find the reason - now supplied by Bregent - and I
thought that I had missed some new web technology. I learned what I needed to
make simple pages about 6 years ago - based then on the notion that most people
had slow dowloads and old browsers - and I haven't really looked deeper until
last week.

I keep reading that layers are problematic, but if that is the case, how are
these things done? even like the head of this page where stuff lights up from
behind. Then there is the moving stuff on the Gaggia site.

Layers are only problematic if a) you don't know how to use them, or b) you
use them as a primary layout methodology (which sort of means that *a*
applies).

What are you thinking to do with them?

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"untitled" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote

Once again, great thanks for all the information. It becomes easy to
design
the stuff - within my desires - when one knows the rules. I had assumed
the
resizable situation was unavoidable, but there was this odd response on
the
Gaggia site. I couldn't find the reason - now supplied by Bregent - and I
thought that I had missed some new web technology. I learned what I
needed to
make simple pages about 6 years ago - based then on the notion that most
people
had slow dowloads and old browsers - and I haven't really looked deeper
until
last week.

I keep reading that layers are problematic, but if that is the case, how
are
these things done? even like the head of this page where stuff lights up
from
behind. Then there is the moving stuff on the Gaggia site.