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Dreamweaver for mac question -
07-12-2004
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Hello, My question is- I want to create a page in dreamweaver using iframes and I want to be able to control the color of the scrollbar. I also want to control the browser window so that it opens to the full size of the monitor and with the table centered. |
scrollbar thingy is an IE specific function. Unless you know that you
audience are all IE users (and the later versions, at that), you might want
to reconsider. But, like I said, check it out with others. That is an area
that I may be a little out of date on.
OTOH, one thing that I do know, is that trying to force a browser to open
full-screen is not the best marketing tactic. Just ask any first year
marketing student. I, for one, will close a window that opens full-screen,
without ever looking at what it has to say. I know that I am not the only
person who finds it extremely presumptive of a company/organization to
resize my window. If "I" want it resized, "I" will resize it. In fact, many
people have a desktop pattern that they use, to help them keep track of
windows and when you force the window to full-screen, you foul up their
organization and turn them off to your product or service. At least, if you
are going to open a window full-screen, tell the visitor why you are going
to do it and give them an opportunity to skip it.
John Gaver
Action America
(forget everything to contact me direct)
Microsoft: (n) Job security for IT consultants.
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On 7/12/04 1:50 PM, in article ccumie$onq$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com, "jeshua@bulldog" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote: Hello, My question is- I want to create a page in dreamweaver using iframes and I want to be able to control the color of the scrollbar. I also want to control the browser window so that it opens to the full size of the monitor and with the table centered. You might want to get others to verify this, but I think that the color scrollbar thingy is an IE specific function. Unless you know that you audience are all IE users (and the later versions, at that), you might want to reconsider. But, like I said, check it out with others. That is an area that I may be a little out of date on. OTOH, one thing that I do know, is that trying to force a browser to open full-screen is not the best marketing tactic. Just ask any first year marketing student. I, for one, will close a window that opens full-screen, without ever looking at what it has to say. I know that I am not the only person who finds it extremely presumptive of a company/organization to resize my window. If "I" want it resized, "I" will resize it. In fact, many people have a desktop pattern that they use, to help them keep track of windows and when you force the window to full-screen, you foul up their organization and turn them off to your product or service. At least, if you are going to open a window full-screen, tell the visitor why you are going to do it and give them an opportunity to skip it. John Gaver Action America (forget everything to contact me direct) Microsoft: (n) Job security for IT consultants. |
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I want to create a page in dreamweaver using iframes and I want to be able to control the color of the scrollbar. I also want to control the browser window so that it opens to the full size of the monitor and with the table centered. |
Ouch. Why do you want to do that to your site visitors?
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And of course I need it to be mac compatible prefearbaly safari browser too. Any help? |
-Darrel
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You might want to get others to verify this, but I think that the color scrollbar thingy is an IE specific function. |
It's an IE Windows only thing and I use a personal style sheet to
disable it on my copies of IE/Windows. ;-)
Gary
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mac users can be the most vociferous about having the screen taken over. Need to see the Hard Drive Icons. Use the browser space as it is. Leave the rest of the monitor(s) display alone. |
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and sometimes I don't want to see all this garbage around my work. |
more people than just yourself and a lot of them probably like all that
garbage (or have, at least, gotten used to it) and don't appreciate anyone
else fooling with their garbage. After all, it's "their" garbage.
If a screen needs to be maximized to view the whole page, the users know
where the maximize button and the horizontal scroller can be found. As for
me, when a page tries to resize my window, one of two things happens,
depending on which computer I am using. In two cases, nothing happens, since
the maximize command is blocked, before it can be implemented. On my other
systems, as soon as I see a maximized window opening, I center-click and
close the window - usually, long before the page finishes loading. I then
avoid that site in the future.
I'm not saying that it is wrong to attempt to maximize the visitor's window,
in all cases. Maybe you have some abiding reason to limit your visitors to
only those who will tolerate outside control of their screen. In that case,
maximizing the window is a very effective way of running off the excess
customers.
John Gaver
Action America
(forget everything to contact me direct)
Microsoft: (n) Job security for IT consultants.
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more people than just yourself and a lot of them probably like all that garbage (or have, at least, gotten used to it) and don't appreciate anyone else fooling with their garbage. After all, it's "their" garbage. |
a choice for people to decide how their OS interface will look like, and
make it "theirs": XP, or OSX? OSX, or XP? Don't tell me it's "their"
garbage.
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I'm not saying that it is wrong to attempt to maximize the visitor's window, in all cases. Maybe you have some abiding reason to limit your visitors to only those who will tolerate outside control of their screen. In that case, maximizing the window is a very effective way of running off the excess customers. |
mindset is. I sometimes don't design sites for "customers". If that's
all they are, they indeed are in the wrong site when they stumble upon
most of my work.
The polemic is actually irrelevant. You're just denying the very
existence of a part of the online world whose concerns are not
exclusively commercial, or not commercial at all. Pleasing everybody is
by definition not an artistic concern, on the contrary.
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John Gaver Action America (forget everything to contact me direct) Microsoft: (n) Job security for IT consultants. |
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You're just denying the very existence of a part of the online world whose concerns are not exclusively commercial, or not commercial at all. |
reminded, I must admit that I am aware of a limited few artists, who are
independently wealthy and create their work for their own enjoyment. I was
not aware that you were among that group.
I was merely thinking of the art community, as a whole, the vast majority of
whom, are the so-called "starving artists", who would be ecstatic to be able
to actually SELL one of their works, so they could eat for another week
(artists have to eat too, don't they). I'm sure that to them, regardless of
how abstract or personal their art may be, they don't want to chance driving
off that one art lover, who really likes what the artist has created and
will actually be willing to exchange some of that horrible "money" for it.
Being an art lover, myself, I have had occasion to meet more than a few, now
successful, artists. Several have told me that their big break came when
just one wealthy patron saw their work and decided to promote them. If the
artist had not been at the right place, at the right time, he/she would
still be selling his/her art at grungy flea markets, instead of posh
galleries. But, it goes beyond that. If the artist's attitude, to the
patron, had been so aloof, that the patron was turned off by it, the
artist's work would today, be hanging next to a velvet Elvis, rather than in
a beautiful foyer, under a crystal chandelier, if it had sold, at all.
It was my mistake to assume that you were not one of those wealthy artists,
who has no interest at all, in selling your artwork, but only displays it
for your own enjoyment. Your case is one of those rare exceptions. But, for
the rest of the art world, who have not yet achieved such independence, as
you obviously have, they should be aware that doing anything that is likely
to annoy a site visitor, could potentially turn off the ONE visitor, who
might become their patron, before he ever has a chance to see their work.
John Gaver
Action America
(forget everything to contact me direct)
Microsoft: (n) Job security for IT consultants.
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