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Default Dreamweaver crash, lost file - 04-02-2005 , 04:44 AM






:disgust;
Just spent several hours on a file that I couldn't save (needed to look up
encoding or special characters would have been lost), but as I saved the file,
DW crashed. The TMP file DW left behind was *not* the file that was open; it
was a file that I had opened long ago in the session but since closed.

There is NO trace of any of my work. Doesn't DW keep working backups at all?
I'm trying the program out and can't find any way to back up, nor is there any
trace of my work. Anyone know what happens to open files when DW crashes? Seems
like this is a really, really poor excuse for an application--event the most
elementary apps have backup capability!




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Default Re: Dreamweaver crash, lost file - 04-02-2005 , 05:02 AM






nononononononon wrote:

Quote:
:disgust;
Just spent several hours on a file that I couldn't save (needed to look up
encoding or special characters would have been lost), but as I saved the file,
DW crashed. The TMP file DW left behind was *not* the file that was open; it
was a file that I had opened long ago in the session but since closed.

There is NO trace of any of my work. Doesn't DW keep working backups at all?
I'm trying the program out and can't find any way to back up, nor is there any
trace of my work. Anyone know what happens to open files when DW crashes? Seems
like this is a really, really poor excuse for an application--event the most
elementary apps have backup capability!

Feel your pain, and sure, DW has a few drawbacks. But lack of "backup
capability" isn't one of them, IMO, and blaming the app for an error
that solely depends on your own inability is neither very mature nor
constructive.

First: If DW can't save a file it's because there's something terribly
wrong with the code. And DW didn't put it there - you did.

Secondly: If you can't fix the code to make DW able to save the doc, you
could easily copied the code into a regular text document as backup.
Frankly, if you spend several hours on a file without saving it or
backing it up, you seriously need to sit down and re-think your work
method. Not least because a file that's not saved will eventually
consume every single Kb of your RAM memory, and that alone will be a
reason for an app or entire system to crash.

The file is gone. Put the experience in the "trial-and-error" account
and move on.

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Default Re: Dreamweaver crash, lost file - 04-02-2005 , 08:25 AM



Hey, I've been using computers since 1960. I know how to save files. I am used
to working with apps that autosave and have used them for over 15 years. DW is
the first major app I've seen that has NO backup capability. That shows very
poor design. I generally have as many as 10 open docs while I work, and keeping
track of what's saved and when to do it is a pain. That's what app housekeeping
is for.

There was nothing wrong with my code. I had a number of special characters (a
large number) in one doc that I couldn't get saved because I needed to find the
right coding to use. Saving as a text file doesn't cut it, the coding gets
lost. Saving with the wrong coding also doesn't cut it. DW kept the special
codes in the working doc but as soon as it crashed, there was no trace of any
TMP file that it's supposed to write.

I have the text; that's saved. What I don't have is the special coding, which
DW blew away without giving any chance for backup. I posed the question about
whether I'm missing something about DW's lack of a backup system. I didn't need
a lecture about backing up. I think that given over 45 years of experience
programming and using computers, that's the first, second. third, and last
lesson learned.

Everything I use has backup capability. This problem was caused by an app that
the developers deliberately designed without a backup capability--it's fairly
straightforward to save a memory image of an open doc; MS Word and WordPerfect,
as examples, have done this since they were designed in the late 80's. Why not
Macromedia?

So go easy on your advice. The app didn't let me save my work without losing
the characters, and when I opened Notepad to look up my coding list to save
the file, DW shut down. So I'll repeat what I asked: I'm trying out DW, and
find that it appears to have no backup feature. Is that true? Does one have to
manually save files every few minutes or risk losing work? If that's so, then
the app is garbage and I'll just stop using it. Its editor is just so-so, and I
hand-code my html, xml, and java anyway and don't need any of the fancy stuff.
Does anyone know about the backup?


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Default Re: Dreamweaver crash, lost file - 04-02-2005 , 11:28 AM



nononononononon wrote:

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Saving as a text file doesn't cut it, the coding gets
lost.

Just curious, why would that happen?


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Dan Vendel *GOF*
 
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Default Re: Dreamweaver crash, lost file - 04-02-2005 , 11:43 AM



nononononononon wrote:
Quote:
Hey, I've been using computers since 1960. I know how to save files. I am used
to working with apps that autosave and have used them for over 15 years. DW is
the first major app I've seen that has NO backup capability. That shows very
poor design. I generally have as many as 10 open docs while I work, and keeping
track of what's saved and when to do it is a pain. That's what app housekeeping
is for.

There was nothing wrong with my code. I had a number of special characters (a
large number) in one doc that I couldn't get saved because I needed to find the
right coding to use. Saving as a text file doesn't cut it, the coding gets
lost. Saving with the wrong coding also doesn't cut it. DW kept the special
codes in the working doc but as soon as it crashed, there was no trace of any
TMP file that it's supposed to write.

I have the text; that's saved. What I don't have is the special coding, which
DW blew away without giving any chance for backup. I posed the question about
whether I'm missing something about DW's lack of a backup system. I didn't need
a lecture about backing up. I think that given over 45 years of experience
programming and using computers, that's the first, second. third, and last
lesson learned.

Everything I use has backup capability. This problem was caused by an app that
the developers deliberately designed without a backup capability--it's fairly
straightforward to save a memory image of an open doc; MS Word and WordPerfect,
as examples, have done this since they were designed in the late 80's. Why not
Macromedia?

So go easy on your advice. The app didn't let me save my work without losing
the characters, and when I opened Notepad to look up my coding list to save
the file, DW shut down. So I'll repeat what I asked: I'm trying out DW, and
find that it appears to have no backup feature. Is that true? Does one have to
manually save files every few minutes or risk losing work? If that's so, then
the app is garbage and I'll just stop using it. Its editor is just so-so, and I
hand-code my html, xml, and java anyway and don't need any of the fancy stuff.
Does anyone know about the backup?


No, DW has no auto backup feature. And, even if it had: if the doc
refused to be saved *manually* in DW, why do you think it would if done
automatically?

If you, after 45 years (!) of experience from computers think it's fine
to work several hours on a doc without saving, and then blame a program
when it eventually crashes, I can only wish you good luck.

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Default Re: Dreamweaver crash, lost file - 04-02-2005 , 12:12 PM



nononononononon wrote:
Quote:
I'm trying out DW, and
find that it appears to have no backup feature. Is that true? Does one have to
manually save files every few minutes or risk losing work? If that's so, then
the app is garbage and I'll just stop using it.
No, Dreamweaver doesn't auto-save pages. I have no relationship with
Macromedia, so I can't say whether it's a feature that's been left out
deliberately or as an oversight. One problem I can see with an auto-save
feature is that you could end up with the program saving changes that
you *don't* want. DW is a visual editor, so designers often make changes
to see what they might look like, decide they don't like them, and want
to revert to the original version. Graphics programs don't normally
auto-save, either, again giving the designer the freedom to decide when
and what to save.

This is a users' forum. If you want to suggest an auto-save feature to
Macromedia, use the feature request form:

http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform/

If sufficient users want a feature, Macromedia tends to listen (well,
maybe not always...)

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Default Re: Dreamweaver crash, lost file - 04-02-2005 , 12:14 PM



David Powers wrote:

One problem I can see with an auto-save
Quote:
feature is that you could end up with the program saving changes that
you *don't* want. DW is a visual editor, so designers often make changes
to see what they might look like, decide they don't like them, and want
to revert to the original version. Graphics programs don't normally
auto-save, either, again giving the designer the freedom to decide when
and what to save.
That would not be a problem, David, if MM used the model that
Word/WordPerfect do, which is to save a **copy** of the file in a
specific directory. You could still abandon your changes without
hurting anything.

Quote:
This is a users' forum. If you want to suggest an auto-save feature to
Macromedia, use the feature request form:

http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform/

If sufficient users want a feature, Macromedia tends to listen (well,
maybe not always...)

Thanks for that. I wanted to post it for the OP but a 5-minute hunt
around the MM site failed to turn it up! :-)

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Default Re: Dreamweaver crash, lost file - 04-02-2005 , 12:31 PM



Bonnie wrote:
Quote:
That would not be a problem, David, if MM used the model that
Word/WordPerfect do, which is to save a **copy** of the file in a
specific directory. You could still abandon your changes without
hurting anything.
Well, maybe it's a good suggestion for the wishform. It could just be
one of those things that MM forgot about. It took forever to get them to
add a Save icon to the toolbar. It's not there by default, but I know a
lot of people asked for it (including me), and it eventually made an
appearance.

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Default Re: Dreamweaver crash, lost file - 04-02-2005 , 10:36 PM



A quick question-

Am i understanding that you had a file that wouldn't save?
Did dw crash when you tried to save it, or did it put up some error message?
What was the error message?

So you still had the document open for some period of time after this where
you could have saved it, or did dw just quit?

Did you consider opening the CODE window and copying the html source code
into something else?

Dreamweaver doesn't make "app-native" files, it makes text files. Every file
dw creates is a text file (excepting Flash Buttons or Flash Text" afaik)





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Default Re: Dreamweaver crash, lost file - 04-02-2005 , 11:08 PM






A text using several languages needs special encoding. Let's say your doc has
Greek, Cyrillic, Latin, and Hebrew characters. Saving the file with these
characters entered through the language keyboard so that they display in native
form, using a text editor, will change the characters to something else.

Using the proper encoding, such as, for example, windows-1255, allows a html
file to retain the special character encoding.


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