Is Dreamweaver the best web design software to learn foran aspiring web designer?

Really? I've always thought that was what the web development world meant by
"web design", in other words, the overall process. After all, many of us
name our profession using those terms.

But I can live with your point of view too. :-)

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"Murray *ACE*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote

Seems to me that you are using the word in a larger scope than is normally
used in the web development world. But I can live with it. And, I won't
hold it against you.... 8)

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"SnakEyez02" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote in message
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John, Murray's point, which I do agree with is that you cannot "design"
with
Dreamweaver. Designing is where someone comes up with the initial
graphics for
the website.

Ok, but you're using the English word "design" according to a limited,
secondary meaning. The word "design" has a much wider meaning than just
"making graphics". As you can see from the standard dictionary definition
I posted earlier, the primary meaning of the word "design" is "to create,
fashion, execute, or construct according to plan". Using this most common
meaning of the word, Dreamweaver most definitely is software whose
purpose is accurately described as "web design".

It is true, of course, that Dreamweaver doesn't create graphics. But it's
inaccurate to say that it doesn't design web pages. You can easily
*design* web pages in Dreamweaver without ever creating a single graphic
yourself.

I'm just saying. :-)

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Dreamweaver cannot do the graphics manipulation and it does not
have the design tools that are available in Fireworks and Photoshop.

Dreamweaver can place the image slices into a layout and use CSS for
repeating-backgrounds and so forth, but the process really starts in one
of the
mentioned applications. So what he is trying to say is that the page is
designed in Fireworks or Photoshop, but then Dreamweaver turns that
design into
HTML for a working webpage.

On Jun 21, 3:35*pm, "In at the deep end"
<webforumsu... (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote:

I would be interested to know if Dreamweaver really is the
industry standard as it's important to consider future job prospects.

Yes. Dreamweaver is the Industry standard for website design; if you
want to be professional, it's the only logical choice. A good designer
also uses many more programs to add aesthetics and functionality (i.e.
Photoshop, Flash).

Amateurs will praise freeware and other programs - but the truth is
they simply cannot compete with Adobe. I've used both Dreamweaver and
Photoshop since version 3.

On Jun 21, 6:28*pm, "Murray *ACE*" <for... (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com>
wrote:

It's not the tool that makes the website sparkle, it's the user. *That's why
HTML and CSS are the most important thing you can spend your time on now.
If you have that well mastered, then anything will sing for you.

Dreamweaver is the perfect app to learn HTML & CSS. Use split mode and
watch what changing the code does to the layout.

The first site I ever built was when I did marketing for a firm that
grossed $100M/year. I knew nothing of Dreamweaver and it took less
than a week working part-time to have it looking and working great.
They still use most of my work on the current site a decade later.

DW is not a web design application. *Web design is
completely out of the scope of DW.

I often work on my "web" site layouts in (what Dreamweaver calls)
"design" mode.

On Jun 21, 10:55*pm, "CJ" <cj... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dreamweaver, and to a lesser extent, Frontpage/Expressions are the
standard for web design tools just as Photoshop is the standard for
photo manipulation. You will find more people with more experience on
these two products than any other web design tool.

Frontpage is junk because it does not code in open source. Ever have
someone ask you to remodel an existing Frontpage website? The code it
generates is a nightmare. Regardless, professional "designers" use
Macs.

Hugs?

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"P@tty Ayers ~ACE" <signup1REMOVE (AT) ayersvirtualREMOVE (DOT) com> wrote

Really? I've always thought that was what the web development world meant
by "web design", in other words, the overall process. After all, many of
us name our profession using those terms.

But I can live with your point of view too. :-)

Cheers,

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"Murray *ACE*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Seems to me that you are using the word in a larger scope than is
normally used in the web development world. But I can live with it.
And, I won't hold it against you.... 8)

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"SnakEyez02" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote in message
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John, Murray's point, which I do agree with is that you cannot "design"
with
Dreamweaver. Designing is where someone comes up with the initial
graphics for
the website.

Ok, but you're using the English word "design" according to a limited,
secondary meaning. The word "design" has a much wider meaning than just
"making graphics". As you can see from the standard dictionary
definition I posted earlier, the primary meaning of the word "design" is
"to create, fashion, execute, or construct according to plan". Using
this most common meaning of the word, Dreamweaver most definitely is
software whose purpose is accurately described as "web design".

It is true, of course, that Dreamweaver doesn't create graphics. But
it's inaccurate to say that it doesn't design web pages. You can easily
*design* web pages in Dreamweaver without ever creating a single graphic
yourself.

I'm just saying. :-)

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Dreamweaver cannot do the graphics manipulation and it does not
have the design tools that are available in Fireworks and Photoshop.

Dreamweaver can place the image slices into a layout and use CSS for
repeating-backgrounds and so forth, but the process really starts in
one of the
mentioned applications. So what he is trying to say is that the page
is
designed in Fireworks or Photoshop, but then Dreamweaver turns that
design into
HTML for a working webpage.

LOL... sure!

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"Murray *ACE*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote

Hugs?

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"P@tty Ayers ~ACE" <signup1REMOVE (AT) ayersvirtualREMOVE (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Really? I've always thought that was what the web development world meant
by "web design", in other words, the overall process. After all, many of
us name our profession using those terms.

But I can live with your point of view too. :-)

Cheers,

--
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"Murray *ACE*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:g3mfih$mfi$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com...
Seems to me that you are using the word in a larger scope than is
normally used in the web development world. But I can live with it.
And, I won't hold it against you.... 8)

--
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"P@tty Ayers ~ACE" <signup1REMOVE (AT) ayersvirtualREMOVE (DOT) com> wrote in
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"SnakEyez02" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote in message
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John, Murray's point, which I do agree with is that you cannot
"design" with
Dreamweaver. Designing is where someone comes up with the initial
graphics for
the website.

Ok, but you're using the English word "design" according to a limited,
secondary meaning. The word "design" has a much wider meaning than just
"making graphics". As you can see from the standard dictionary
definition I posted earlier, the primary meaning of the word "design"
is "to create, fashion, execute, or construct according to plan". Using
this most common meaning of the word, Dreamweaver most definitely is
software whose purpose is accurately described as "web design".

It is true, of course, that Dreamweaver doesn't create graphics. But
it's inaccurate to say that it doesn't design web pages. You can easily
*design* web pages in Dreamweaver without ever creating a single
graphic yourself.

I'm just saying. :-)

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Dreamweaver cannot do the graphics manipulation and it does not
have the design tools that are available in Fireworks and Photoshop.

Dreamweaver can place the image slices into a layout and use CSS for
repeating-backgrounds and so forth, but the process really starts in
one of the
mentioned applications. So what he is trying to say is that the page
is
designed in Fireworks or Photoshop, but then Dreamweaver turns that
design into
HTML for a working webpage.

I think that too. There is not reason to change the subject :P

Dreamweaver, in my opinion is the best webpage creating software out there. It
has so many functions, and you really don't need to learn any code at all, if
you don't want. It's relatively easy to learn, and you can be designing in a
couple of days. Hope this helps, Jason

"JasonMaier" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote

Dreamweaver, in my opinion is the best webpage creating software out
there. It
has so many functions, and you really don't need to learn any code at all,
if
you don't want. It's relatively easy to learn, and you can be designing
in a
couple of days...

I disagree, Jason. You can be designing something or other in a couple of
days, but you'll also be tearing your hair out very soon, if you have no
idea what's going on in your code.


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..oO(JasonMaier)

Dreamweaver, in my opinion is the best webpage creating software out there. It
has so many functions, and you really don't need to learn any code at all, if
you don't want. It's relatively easy to learn, and you can be designing in a
couple of days. Hope this helps, Jason

You can't do any good and productive thing with DW if you don't know
what's going on behind and how HTML/CSS work. Just "point 'n click"
doesn't work in the Web. You _must_ know some code.

Micha