Dreamweaver 4 Sy stem Error

I'm a new DW4 user on a Win98SE system with 256Mbytes of memory and about a
Gigabyte of free hard drive space. I realize this is an old product, but it's
what I have.

DW4 seems to open and work properly, but after perhaps 15-30 minutes, a blank
Windows system error dialog box appears, displaying only a CLOSE button (no
identification of the error). If I click the button, the application closes,
but when I try to open any other application, I get an error message saying
"Not enough available memory to run the application" (even if nothing else is
running). At that point I have to do Control-Alt-Delete to restart (normal
shutdown won't work). It seems that DW4 may have a memory leak.

Is this a known problem and if so, how can I fix it? Thanks in advance for
your help!

Mike

I'm a new DW4 user on a Win98SE system with 256Mbytes of memory and about
a
Gigabyte of free hard drive space. I realize this is an old product, but
it's
what I have.

When you start from a cold boot, what is your System resources value?

System Resources is what you see when you do

START | Settings > Control Panel > System > Performance Tab

And again, what is it after you have been running DW for a few minutes?

Running DMX on W9x/Me is going to be something that requires constant
intervention to prevent routine OS crashing. The problem is that the
operating system is just not able to provide the resources that you are
asking it to. Remember that W9x/Me is the last gasp of an OS that was
originally developed in 1984. As such either of these are nearly incapable
of performing as contemporary environments.

All of the W9x/Me variants are based around a memory model that was
originally used in W3x. It has changed, but not in a way that would
significantly
impact this issue since that time.

The salient issue in this memory model is the space that is allocated to the
OS for scratchpad type work, i.e., tracking what processes are running, what
windows are open, what file handles are in use, etc. In 1984, it seemed
perfectly reasonable to make this memory segment be 64K (I think that is the
right number - could be 48K, though), and it was. However in 2003, that
region of memory fills rather quickly.

What happens when that scratchpad space fills up? You get General
Protection Faults, or Kernel32 errors, or system lockups, or BSOD symptoms.
W9x/Me is not graceful when it fails.

How can you prevent this from happening? Not by adding more RAM, since that
scratchpad size is hardwired in the OS, and since it is taken from the first
megabyte of memory, there is not too much you can do by adding hardware.
But there is alot you can do in general (although it will not REALLY be
enough in the long run).

The first thing you have to do is to learn how to monitor this space so you
can know where you stand on the "likely to crash" meter -

System Resources is what you see when you do

START | Settings > Control Panel > System > Performance Tab

and a value of less than 30% for this is indicative of a rapidly approaching
freight train. Save your files and reboot quickly!

After a cold restart, and before running anything else, you *SHOULD* have a
SR value of about 80%. If you do not, then you have already added so much
to your system (over time, probably) that you can expect to have continuing
problems. Look at your System Tray, and see how many icons you have there.
Each one of those is a background process that is stealing resources. Do a
CTRL-ALT-DEL and look at the processes listed in that Panel. If you have
more than about 10, then you are losing lots of your resources to these.

The answer is (if you must continue using these antique operating systems
instead of upgrading to W2KPro or WXPPro - a much more robust and suitable
OS), then you must aggressively prune all of the unnecessary
background/startup processes from your system by removing them from your
startup process. Using msconfig for this is a good place to start.

Hope that helps you - remember 80% after a cold boot will keep you pretty
clean.

To see more detail on W9x/Me and Resources, go here -

http://apptools.com/rants/resources.php
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"Oklahoma Aviator" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote

I'm a new DW4 user on a Win98SE system with 256Mbytes of memory and about
a
Gigabyte of free hard drive space. I realize this is an old product, but
it's
what I have.

DW4 seems to open and work properly, but after perhaps 15-30 minutes, a
blank
Windows system error dialog box appears, displaying only a CLOSE button
(no
identification of the error). If I click the button, the application
closes,
but when I try to open any other application, I get an error message
saying
"Not enough available memory to run the application" (even if nothing else
is
running). At that point I have to do Control-Alt-Delete to restart
(normal
shutdown won't work). It seems that DW4 may have a memory leak.

Is this a known problem and if so, how can I fix it? Thanks in advance
for
your help!

Mike

Thanks very much, Murray--sounds like a cogent explanation you provided! Of
course, it's not what I want to hear--it means I'll probably wind up buying a
new computer, since my processor speed probably won't handle the new operating
systems.

When I received your post, I checked system resources and found them to be
running about 38% (I had been running DW4 for about a half hour at that point).
I rebooted and found they were running at 73%. I don't have many background
processes running, but I'll see what I can do to remove as many as possible.

One last question: with a modern OS, is DW4 still supported and, if so, where
would I find support info for it?

Thanks!

Mike

Murray, would Mike's machine handle an upgrade to Win95, and would that
afford him some wiggle room on Win housekeeping tasks?


"Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote

I'm a new DW4 user on a Win98SE system with 256Mbytes of memory and about
a
Gigabyte of free hard drive space. I realize this is an old product, but
it's
what I have.

When you start from a cold boot, what is your System resources value?

System Resources is what you see when you do

START | Settings > Control Panel > System > Performance Tab

And again, what is it after you have been running DW for a few minutes?

Running DMX on W9x/Me is going to be something that requires constant
intervention to prevent routine OS crashing. The problem is that the
operating system is just not able to provide the resources that you are
asking it to. Remember that W9x/Me is the last gasp of an OS that was
originally developed in 1984. As such either of these are nearly
incapable
of performing as contemporary environments.

All of the W9x/Me variants are based around a memory model that was
originally used in W3x. It has changed, but not in a way that would
significantly
impact this issue since that time.

The salient issue in this memory model is the space that is allocated to
the
OS for scratchpad type work, i.e., tracking what processes are running,
what
windows are open, what file handles are in use, etc. In 1984, it seemed
perfectly reasonable to make this memory segment be 64K (I think that is
the
right number - could be 48K, though), and it was. However in 2003, that
region of memory fills rather quickly.

What happens when that scratchpad space fills up? You get General
Protection Faults, or Kernel32 errors, or system lockups, or BSOD
symptoms.
W9x/Me is not graceful when it fails.

How can you prevent this from happening? Not by adding more RAM, since
that
scratchpad size is hardwired in the OS, and since it is taken from the
first
megabyte of memory, there is not too much you can do by adding hardware.
But there is alot you can do in general (although it will not REALLY be
enough in the long run).

The first thing you have to do is to learn how to monitor this space so
you
can know where you stand on the "likely to crash" meter -

System Resources is what you see when you do

START | Settings > Control Panel > System > Performance Tab

and a value of less than 30% for this is indicative of a rapidly
approaching
freight train. Save your files and reboot quickly!

After a cold restart, and before running anything else, you *SHOULD* have
a
SR value of about 80%. If you do not, then you have already added so much
to your system (over time, probably) that you can expect to have
continuing
problems. Look at your System Tray, and see how many icons you have
there.
Each one of those is a background process that is stealing resources. Do
a
CTRL-ALT-DEL and look at the processes listed in that Panel. If you have
more than about 10, then you are losing lots of your resources to these.

The answer is (if you must continue using these antique operating systems
instead of upgrading to W2KPro or WXPPro - a much more robust and suitable
OS), then you must aggressively prune all of the unnecessary
background/startup processes from your system by removing them from your
startup process. Using msconfig for this is a good place to start.

Hope that helps you - remember 80% after a cold boot will keep you pretty
clean.

To see more detail on W9x/Me and Resources, go here -

http://apptools.com/rants/resources.php
==================


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"Oklahoma Aviator" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:dklmem$2b4$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com...
I'm a new DW4 user on a Win98SE system with 256Mbytes of memory and about
a
Gigabyte of free hard drive space. I realize this is an old product, but
it's
what I have.

DW4 seems to open and work properly, but after perhaps 15-30 minutes, a
blank
Windows system error dialog box appears, displaying only a CLOSE button
(no
identification of the error). If I click the button, the application
closes,
but when I try to open any other application, I get an error message
saying
"Not enough available memory to run the application" (even if nothing
else is
running). At that point I have to do Control-Alt-Delete to restart
(normal
shutdown won't work). It seems that DW4 may have a memory leak.

Is this a known problem and if so, how can I fix it? Thanks in advance
for
your help!

Mike

No - notice in my explanation how I mentioned W9x?

And - W95 predated W98, unless I have my calendar upside down.

Did you mean WXP? If so, then yes, that would help vis-a-vis the 'system
resources' thing, but with only 256MB of RAM, the whole system would be
seriously compromised.

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"Kenneth W. Binney" <kenbinney (AT) ossiningdesignguild (DOT) com> wrote

Murray, would Mike's machine handle an upgrade to Win95, and would that
afford him some wiggle room on Win housekeeping tasks?


"Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:dklqup$7it$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com...
I'm a new DW4 user on a Win98SE system with 256Mbytes of memory and
about a
Gigabyte of free hard drive space. I realize this is an old product,
but it's
what I have.

When you start from a cold boot, what is your System resources value?

System Resources is what you see when you do

START | Settings > Control Panel > System > Performance Tab

And again, what is it after you have been running DW for a few minutes?

Running DMX on W9x/Me is going to be something that requires constant
intervention to prevent routine OS crashing. The problem is that the
operating system is just not able to provide the resources that you are
asking it to. Remember that W9x/Me is the last gasp of an OS that was
originally developed in 1984. As such either of these are nearly
incapable
of performing as contemporary environments.

All of the W9x/Me variants are based around a memory model that was
originally used in W3x. It has changed, but not in a way that would
significantly
impact this issue since that time.

The salient issue in this memory model is the space that is allocated to
the
OS for scratchpad type work, i.e., tracking what processes are running,
what
windows are open, what file handles are in use, etc. In 1984, it seemed
perfectly reasonable to make this memory segment be 64K (I think that is
the
right number - could be 48K, though), and it was. However in 2003, that
region of memory fills rather quickly.

What happens when that scratchpad space fills up? You get General
Protection Faults, or Kernel32 errors, or system lockups, or BSOD
symptoms.
W9x/Me is not graceful when it fails.

How can you prevent this from happening? Not by adding more RAM, since
that
scratchpad size is hardwired in the OS, and since it is taken from the
first
megabyte of memory, there is not too much you can do by adding hardware.
But there is alot you can do in general (although it will not REALLY be
enough in the long run).

The first thing you have to do is to learn how to monitor this space so
you
can know where you stand on the "likely to crash" meter -

System Resources is what you see when you do

START | Settings > Control Panel > System > Performance Tab

and a value of less than 30% for this is indicative of a rapidly
approaching
freight train. Save your files and reboot quickly!

After a cold restart, and before running anything else, you *SHOULD* have
a
SR value of about 80%. If you do not, then you have already added so
much
to your system (over time, probably) that you can expect to have
continuing
problems. Look at your System Tray, and see how many icons you have
there.
Each one of those is a background process that is stealing resources. Do
a
CTRL-ALT-DEL and look at the processes listed in that Panel. If you have
more than about 10, then you are losing lots of your resources to these.

The answer is (if you must continue using these antique operating systems
instead of upgrading to W2KPro or WXPPro - a much more robust and
suitable
OS), then you must aggressively prune all of the unnecessary
background/startup processes from your system by removing them from your
startup process. Using msconfig for this is a good place to start.

Hope that helps you - remember 80% after a cold boot will keep you pretty
clean.

To see more detail on W9x/Me and Resources, go here -

http://apptools.com/rants/resources.php
==================


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(If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!)
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"Oklahoma Aviator" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:dklmem$2b4$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com...
I'm a new DW4 user on a Win98SE system with 256Mbytes of memory and
about a
Gigabyte of free hard drive space. I realize this is an old product,
but it's
what I have.

DW4 seems to open and work properly, but after perhaps 15-30 minutes, a
blank
Windows system error dialog box appears, displaying only a CLOSE button
(no
identification of the error). If I click the button, the application
closes,
but when I try to open any other application, I get an error message
saying
"Not enough available memory to run the application" (even if nothing
else is
running). At that point I have to do Control-Alt-Delete to restart
(normal
shutdown won't work). It seems that DW4 may have a memory leak.

Is this a known problem and if so, how can I fix it? Thanks in advance
for
your help!

Mike

When I received your post, I checked system resources and found them to be
running about 38%

The clap of doom is imminent.

I don't have many background
processes running

You have many more than you imagine. Check your startup files, too.

One last question: with a modern OS, is DW4 still supported and, if so,
where
would I find support info for it?

DW4 is no longer supported on any OS. Furthermore, I have seen intermittant
issues with DW4 and WXP posted here. Since DW4 predated WXP, it's not
surprising. Things are just not in the same place in WXP as they were in
W9x.

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"Oklahoma Aviator" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote

Thanks very much, Murray--sounds like a cogent explanation you provided!
Of
course, it's not what I want to hear--it means I'll probably wind up
buying a
new computer, since my processor speed probably won't handle the new
operating
systems.

When I received your post, I checked system resources and found them to be
running about 38% (I had been running DW4 for about a half hour at that
point).
I rebooted and found they were running at 73%. I don't have many
background
processes running, but I'll see what I can do to remove as many as
possible.

One last question: with a modern OS, is DW4 still supported and, if so,
where
would I find support info for it?

Thanks!

Mike