Dotted line around images.....

Hi
I dont know what u want and/or if you got what you wanted(didnt have the
time to read all the other post's). But try this (place it between the
HEAD-tags)

<script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript">
<!--
function TaBortStreckIE()
{
for (a in document.links) document.links[a].onfocus =
document.links[a].blur;
}
if (document.all)
{
document.onmousedown =TaBortStreckIE;
}
// -->
</script>

Cheers oRm

"HollyS" <hollys (AT) aol (DOT) com> skrev i meddelandet
news:20040627112740.25561.00000840 (AT) mb-m29 (DOT) aol.com...

I have the border set to zero -can anyone tell me how can I get rid of the
dotted line box that appears around linked/rollover images when you click
on
them??

Thanks in advance!!!

"Peter Connolly" <newsgroupsdemon (AT) removethisbitacutecomputing (DOT) co.uk> wrote
in message news:cbn4ft$t8o$1$830fa17d (AT) news (DOT) demon.co.uk...
<snip>

(btw, I think that it is a good thing to produce sites that are
accessible,
but I will do it to match the requirements of my client and the sites
audience)

Regards,

Pete.

--
Peter Connolly
http://www.acutecomputing.co.uk
Derby
UK

Even though you may be excluding a possible audience of up to eight and a

half million people in the UK alone by building to the clients requirements?
I think if I was providing a service, and advertising it on the web, I would
want it to reach as large an audience as possible, and that's just common
sense, not a disability thing.

Terry

Peter Connolly wrote:

E. T. Culling wrote:

You mean that I MUST make my site accessible?? Shouldn't that be my
choice or my client's choice?


I'm with you on this one Eleanor, but UK law will say differently.

I once discussed accessibillity with a client; his reply was, "How many
blind people are going to buy tractors?".

lmfao. Im also with you guys. Put it another way 'How many Indian blind
people are going to buy tractors?

Accessibility, what does it mean? Who? Which races/nationalities are
included, which are not. If not that's discrimination. If your website
does not address any minority groups, be it ethnic, be it color
blindness, be it learning difficulties, according to the Law you are
going to be in breach of the Law. The Law is a complete ass. Its not
workable.

Geez its a few suited and booted twats (trying to make money for
themselves) that havent got anything to do all day but think up jobs to
keep themselves employed.

Does every car manufacturer build cars to accomodate 6'7" 40 stone
giants, NO. Why? Because 6'7" 40 stone giants are a minority group.

Does every shoe manufacturer produce shoes in size 20, NO. Why? Because
people with size 20 feet are in a minority group.

Does every restaurant have to supply all of the food in all of the
national dishes, NO. Why? because we have choices (thank f--k) to cater
for who we want to.

I cant understand all this pathetic accessibility issue garbage. It
seems its soley based on people with imapired eyesight. THEY ARE NOT THE
ONLY F--C--G DISADVANTAGED GROUP IN THE WHOLE DAMN WORLD.

If we are going to force accessibility then lets have some rules to help
other disadvantaged groups as well.

Now lets see if we did that it would mean probabaly using only a set
color pallet to help people with color blindness. It would also probably
mean not being allowed to use text that is more than two sylables to
provide for people with learning difficulties.

When is all this silliness going to stop. NO OTHER INDUSTRY CATERS FOR
EVERYONE, THE WEB SHOULDNT EITHER. There are specialist
businesses/companies that do this very well and adequately.

thenovice wrote:

Even though you may be excluding a possible audience of up to eight
and a half million people in the UK alone by building to the clients
requirements? I think if I was providing a service, and advertising
it on the web, I would want it to reach as large an audience as
possible, and that's just common sense, not a disability thing.

A valid point, but it completely disregards budgets. The client is paying
for a website which fulfils a purpose, and they want to cover as great a
target audience as possible without exceeding their budget. To stay within
budget, you need clearly defined objectives - and 'accessibility', at the
moment, just isn't defined clearly.

I will happily write a web site that will accomodate differently-abled
users - as long as I know what those requirements are. But you never *will*
know what those requirements are. I can write a web site which will confirm
to (for example) HTML 4.01 Strict; I will know when I've reached that level,
because I can put the page through the w3c validator; if I get no errors, my
site is Valid. But I can't do that with accessibility, because there is no
internationally approved testing facility; Bobby and 508 approval still
relies on consideration and judgment; not being disabled in any way, I
can't guarantee that my consideration and judgement is going to be accurate.
It's in these wooly areas around the edges that most of the budget is spent,
accomodating a small percentage of the target audience.



Regards,

Pete.
--
Peter Connolly
http://www.acutecomputing.co.uk
Derby
UK

thenovice wrote:
Even though you may be excluding a possible audience of up to eight and a

half million people in the UK alone by building to the clients requirements?
I think if I was providing a service, and advertising it on the web, I would
want it to reach as large an audience as possible, and that's just common
sense, not a disability thing.

Why suddenly is all this nonsense focused specifically on the web.
Companies have been advertsing for years, in Newspapers, in Print, on
the Radio. Most don't provide literature for every kind of
disability/disadvantage, call it what you like.

They could do, they just don't because it's a small minority in the
bigger picture. Probably not their target audience. As I said in my
previous post there are literally dozens of companies specifically
providing and targeting those with disabilities.

This is a complete and utter nonsense in the commercial world.

.oO(Osgood)

Why suddenly is all this nonsense focused specifically on the web.

Because it's possible? There are techniques that - at least in theory -
allow to provide the same content in different forms. Then it's the user
itself who can decide how he wants the content delivered, so that it's
accessible for him.

Companies have been advertsing for years, in Newspapers, in Print, on
the Radio. Most don't provide literature for every kind of
disability/disadvantage, call it what you like.

Because it would cost too much money, but you can't compare that with
the WWW. Ever seen a book where you can increase fonts or change colors?
Ever seen a newspaper that speaks out the latest headlines or prints it
to a braille line? Ever seen a TV switching channels on voice command?

They could do, they just don't because it's a small minority in the
bigger picture.

Even a minority could be very important for the profit.

Probably not their target audience. As I said in my
previous post there are literally dozens of companies specifically
providing and targeting those with disabilities.

This is a complete and utter nonsense in the commercial world.

Your opinion.

Micha

Michael Fesser wrote:

.oO(Osgood)


Why suddenly is all this nonsense focused specifically on the web.


Because it's possible?

Just becuase it's possible doesnt make it right or even the correct
approach to take.

There are techniques that - at least in theory -

allow to provide the same content in different forms. Then it's the user
itself who can decide how he wants the content delivered, so that it's
accessible for him.

Accessible for who is my question? This whole accessibility issue soley
consentrates on the visually impaired. What about people with learning
difficulties, color blindness. Do these people not count? It's equally
possible to cater for these people and yet no mention. It seems pretty
odd to me?

Accessibility is not just a partially sighted problem. It encompasses a
whole lot more minority groups, from all walks of life. When people
start talking sense then I might listen.

The Asian community in this country would problably find it easier if
websites existed in their language, but most dont. True accessibilty
would take these people into account, but it doesnt.

Companies have been advertsing for years, in Newspapers, in Print, on
the Radio. Most don't provide literature for every kind of
disability/disadvantage, call it what you like.

Ever seen a book where you can increase fonts or change colors?

Yes, its called a magnifying glass, just as you can magnify the text on
a website. I cant think of a reason to want to change colors. What is
the point? I am the designer, as a professional I am employed to choose
what color scheme I think reflects the nature of the business, not rely
on the end user to choose what damn well like.

Its called 'Corporate Identity' but I dont think you would know anything
about that side of the business.

Ever seen a newspaper that speaks out the latest headlines or prints it
to a braille line?

Yes, they are produced by specailst compaines, quite rightly so. Just as
specailist websites are being developed to cater for people with
disabilities.

They could do, they just don't because it's a small minority in the
bigger picture.


Even a minority could be very important for the profit.

As one person said, why would you want o advertise a motor vehicle to a
very badly sighted person? There IS no point. In the commercial world it
must be a company decision as to who the target audience is.

This is a complete and utter nonsense in the commercial world.


Your opinion.

I can have my opinions.

E. T. Culling wrote:

You mean that I MUST make my site accessible?? Shouldn't that be my choice
or my client's choice?

LOL, well this certainly is a first. Usually people ask "HOW do I make my site
accessible?!"

Osgood wrote:

As one person said, why would you want o advertise a motor vehicle to a
very badly sighted person? There IS no point. In the commercial world it
must be a company decision as to who the target audience is.

Not weighing in on either side, but I admit I always wondered why there
is a Braille button on the drive-up ATM at my credit union.....

--
Bonnie in Sacramento
kroko at
sbcglobal dot net

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:41:07 -0700, Bonnie in Sacramento
<kroko (AT) endofmyropesbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

Not weighing in on either side, but I admit I always wondered why there
is a Braille button on the drive-up ATM at my credit union.....

Good one. It could be for the blind person in the back seat. ;-)
However, we just moved into a new office about a year ago. On the second
floor, accessible only by means of a fairly long stairway, the bathrooms
had to be wheelchair accessible! Tell me that makes sense. <sigh>


Gary