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Default Re: css order for links? - 07-14-2004 , 11:33 AM






In article <cd3jml$611$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com>,
"Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote:

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Hmm - I based my reply on an inability to find it in Cascading Style Sheets
2.0!
It's in there, too.

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But I stand corrected, then.
Same place I've stood many a time.

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Are you sure?
Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
Why is top-posting so annoying?

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Default Re: css order for links? - 07-14-2004 , 11:45 AM






Do you know where in that lofty tome I would find reference to it? 8)

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"Eric A. Meyer" <eric (AT) meyerweb (DOT) com> wrote

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In article <cd3jml$611$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com>,
"Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote:

Hmm - I based my reply on an inability to find it in Cascading Style
Sheets
2.0!

It's in there, too.

But I stand corrected, then.

Same place I've stood many a time.

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Yes.
Are you sure?
Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
Why is top-posting so annoying?



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Default Re: css order for links? - 07-14-2004 , 02:51 PM



Murray,

I can not confirm that style="font-size:10mm;", for example, "means nothing on
the web". However I know this:
1) It works fine in Internet Explorer 6.0,
2) It's implemented in Dreamweaver MX 2004 (right click on a valid Web page in
Dreamweaver MX 2004, select CSS

Style >, select New..., and click OK. Select Type, put a numeric value in
Size, select the dropdown to the

right of it, and select mm).
3) It's implemented in TopStyle 3 (Lite) under "CSS Level 2".

Drop the following code in between <BODY> tags, and you'll clearly see 4
different sizes.

<p style="font-size:8mm;">Hello mm World!</p>
<p style="font-size:10mm;">Hello mm World!</p>
<p style="font-size:12mm;">Hello mm World!</p>
<p style="font-size:14mm;">Hello mm World!</p>


It _does_ seem to have meaning. What I'm not clear on is what you mean by
"That's a print metric...". Could

you exlpain, please?

-----

Michael,

I may be wrong, but I'm assuming 3mm means "3 millimetre font size", as 12pt
is 12 point font size, as 9px is

9 pixel font size.

Gracias & Regards,

Chris



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Default Re: css order for links? - 07-14-2004 , 02:52 PM



In article <cd3keh$71k$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com>,
"Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:
Do you know where in that lofty tome I would find reference to it? 8)
Yes.


...okay, here's the URLs:

<http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/box.html#propdef-border>
<http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/box.html#value-def-border-style>

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Are you sure?
Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
Why is top-posting so annoying?

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Default Re: css order for links? - 07-14-2004 , 03:10 PM



ChrisRi wrote:
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link, visited, hover, and active do not have to be in any specific order.
ROTFLMAO! -catches my breath- ROTFLMAO!

ChrisRi wrote:
I can not confirm that style="font-size:10mm;", for example, "means nothing on
the web".

It means nothing because its not relative to any metric commonly used (pixels
are) and could quite possibly display inconsistent accross browsers. It might
look okay to you within IE, but text could look microscopic to a user who has
IE on mac, because the mac version doesn't correctly understand mm's.



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Default Re: css order for links? - 07-14-2004 , 03:31 PM



.oO(ChrisRi)

Quote:
I can not confirm that style="font-size:10mm;", for example, "means nothing on
the web". However I know this:
1) It works fine in Internet Explorer 6.0,
Sure, it's part of the spec.

But: What are 10mm on different screens? What are 10mm on different
resolutions? What are 10mm on different operating systems? What are 10mm
on different browsers? What are 10mm on different font-sizes?

You know _nothing_ about the output device the client will use and its
preferences. Using units like pt or mm is like gambling, the results are
unpredictable. They are converted to px values by the user agents and
the underlying OS, but you can't tell how. It may work on your system,
but fail rather dramatically on others.

pt and mm may be useful for print stylesheets (if you assume that the
page will be printed on A4 for example), but they are useless and rather
dangerous for screen layouts.

Micha


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Default Re: css order for links? - 07-14-2004 , 03:40 PM



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1) It works fine in Internet Explorer 6.0,
Except when it doesn't. This is faint praise for using mm to measure
character dimensions.

How big is 10mm on my screen? How big is it on Eric Meyer's screen? I can
tell you this - it's not 10mm. That's about as close to meaning nothing as
you can get.

10mm is good for printed pages. It's lousy for web pages.

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2) It's implemented in Dreamweaver MX 2004 (right click on a valid Web
page in
Dreamweaver MX 2004, select CSS
So are pop-up menus, Layout mode, and using points to size fonts. All are
mistakes to use.

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Drop the following code in between <BODY> tags, and you'll clearly see 4
different sizes.
Certainly, but the sizes you see on your system and the sizes I see on my
system will be different because our screen resolutions are not the same.
Use a screen metric like pixels, or use ems or exs or percents or size names
(like small), but don't use a print metric on the web.

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"ChrisRi" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote

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Murray,

I can not confirm that style="font-size:10mm;", for example, "means
nothing on
the web". However I know this:
1) It works fine in Internet Explorer 6.0,
2) It's implemented in Dreamweaver MX 2004 (right click on a valid Web
page in
Dreamweaver MX 2004, select CSS

Style >, select New..., and click OK. Select Type, put a numeric value in
Size, select the dropdown to the

right of it, and select mm).
3) It's implemented in TopStyle 3 (Lite) under "CSS Level 2".

Drop the following code in between <BODY> tags, and you'll clearly see 4
different sizes.

p style="font-size:8mm;">Hello mm World!</p
p style="font-size:10mm;">Hello mm World!</p
p style="font-size:12mm;">Hello mm World!</p
p style="font-size:14mm;">Hello mm World!</p


It _does_ seem to have meaning. What I'm not clear on is what you mean by
"That's a print metric...". Could

you exlpain, please?

-----

Michael,

I may be wrong, but I'm assuming 3mm means "3 millimetre font size", as
12pt
is 12 point font size, as 9px is

9 pixel font size.

Gracias & Regards,

Chris





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Default Re: css order for links? - 07-14-2004 , 03:44 PM



Thanks - but I meant the even loftier tome of Cascading Style Sheets 2.0....
8)

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"Eric A. Meyer" <eric (AT) meyerweb (DOT) com> wrote

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In article <cd3keh$71k$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com>,
"Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote:

Do you know where in that lofty tome I would find reference to it? 8)

Yes.


...okay, here's the URLs:

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/box.html#propdef-border
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/box.html#value-def-border-style

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Yes.
Are you sure?
Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
Why is top-posting so annoying?



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Eric A. Meyer
 
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Default Re: css order for links? - 07-14-2004 , 05:16 PM



In article <cd42f2$p7n$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com>,
"Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:
Thanks - but I meant the even loftier tome of Cascading Style Sheets 2.0....
Pages 230 and 223, respectively, if you mean "Cascading Style Sheets:
The Definitive Guide, Second Edition". Pages 76 - 77 and 94 - 95,
respectively, if you mean "Cascading Style Sheets 2.0 Programmer's
Reference".
If you meant something else, then I don't know.

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Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
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Murray *TMM*
 
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Default Re: css order for links? - 07-14-2004 , 05:23 PM



Eric:

It was the latter. And I finally found mention of it on 96-97. Thank you!
My earlier perusal had not found that specific description!

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"Eric A. Meyer" <eric (AT) meyerweb (DOT) com> wrote

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In article <cd42f2$p7n$1 (AT) forums (DOT) macromedia.com>,
"Murray *TMM*" <forums (AT) HAHAgreat-web-sights (DOT) com> wrote:

Thanks - but I meant the even loftier tome of Cascading Style Sheets
2.0....

Pages 230 and 223, respectively, if you mean "Cascading Style Sheets:
The Definitive Guide, Second Edition". Pages 76 - 77 and 94 - 95,
respectively, if you mean "Cascading Style Sheets 2.0 Programmer's
Reference".
If you meant something else, then I don't know.



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