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Gary: Here is where I am right now.
!. I am looking for a sensible answer.
2. I did every thing correctly. Site works just the way I want it to with the
Adobe Dreamweaver primary browser internet explorer. Client is delighted with
its appearance and performance. (I am not.)
3. The site does not perform the way it should in Firefox and Netscape 8. The
editable content container shifts to the left and also the image alternate text
messages do not appear.
4. I do not know how to compensate for other browser deficiencies. I don?t
have any idea where to look. I assumed Adobe dreamweaver expert technicians
would.
5. Site will be published. If you don?t know how to correct the problem, it
will be okay. Maybe some day all the browsers will get together and use the
same rules

Site can be seen at http://usersite.com/ahimsahaven

..oO(joe dora)

Gary: Here is where I am right now.
!. I am looking for a sensible answer.
2. I did every thing correctly. Site works just the way I want it to with the
Adobe Dreamweaver primary browser internet explorer. Client is delighted with
its appearance and performance. (I am not.)

Never rely on the appearance in IE! It's an old and broken browser. Test
with standards-compliant browsers like Opera or Firefox, then fix for IE
if necessary.

3. The site does not perform the way it should in Firefox and Netscape 8.

This usually means that there's something wrong with the site.

The
editable content container shifts to the left and also the image alternate text
messages do not appear.

That's how it's supposed to be. If you want tooltips on your images or
any other elements, use a 'title' attribute. Of course the 'alt'
attribute is necessary as well, but not for a tooltip. IE gets it wrong,
as usual.

To center a block-level element, the usual way is to apply a width other
than 100% to it and to set its left and right margins to 'auto'. This
works even in IE 6 in standards mode. You might have to play around with
different margin or padding settings because of the floated side menu.

Some other things:

* The homepage is titled "index page" - a rather bad choice for a page
title.

* Your stylesheets are linked twice.

* There are also some validation errors that should be fixed:
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbos... imsahaven%2F

Micha

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:54:52 +0000 (UTC), "joe dora"
<webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote:

Gary: Here is where I am right now.
!. I am looking for a sensible answer.

I'll try.

2. I did every thing correctly. Site works just the way I want it to with the
Adobe Dreamweaver primary browser internet explorer. Client is delighted with
its appearance and performance. (I am not.)

Okay.

3. The site does not perform the way it should in Firefox and Netscape 8. The
editable content container shifts to the left and also the image alternate text
messages do not appear.

I started looking at your CSS to see what was going on with the left
aligned content vs the centered content and I quickly got a headache.
Try this in IE6. Narrow your browser window to 800 pixels wide. Your
lovely centered content drops down below your left aligned menu.

It looks like you have way over-engineered the page. You've got three
separate style sheets, two of which are linked in twice. In some cases,
rules in one style sheet contradict rules in one of the other style
sheets. You have a rather basic, simple design. It shouldn't take 10k of
CSS to produce it.

As far as alternate text not being displayed, the fact that IE *does*
display it is yet another IE bug. The alternate text should only be
displayed when the image is *not* displayed. If you want a tool-tip to
pop up on mouse hover, use the title attribute.

4. I do not know how to compensate for other browser deficiencies. I don?t
have any idea where to look. I assumed Adobe dreamweaver expert technicians
would.

The "other browser deficiencies" are that they tend to render pages
correctly, while IE is pretty badly broken. The first thing to
compensate for browser differences is to code to standards and test in a
standards compliant browser. Then fix what needs to be fixed to
compensate for the IE bugs.

Gary

Thank you for responding to my problem. I will try to make the changes you
suggested. I just did a fast one and made firefox my default btowser. I guess I
must have a microsoft computer because the first time I used fire fox it
downloaded some kind of an update. From that point on all all I got was the
microsoft error message. Fortunitly I had set a restore point b4 I set firefox
as the default and I was able to restore it back to explorer.
This will take time. Thank you. I'll get back to you.

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:13:16 +0000 (UTC), "joe dora"
<webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote:

Thank you for responding to my problem. I will try to make the changes you
suggested. I just did a fast one and made firefox my default btowser. I guess I
must have a microsoft computer because the first time I used fire fox it
downloaded some kind of an update. From that point on all all I got was the
microsoft error message. Fortunitly I had set a restore point b4 I set firefox
as the default and I was able to restore it back to explorer.

There was a problem with XP when you tried to set something other than
IE as the default browser. I believe there was a Windows update that was
supposed to address that. That said, you don't really need to make
Firefox your default browser. I still have IE as my default browser on
my desktop machine, even though I almost never use it except for
testing. My wife likes to use it for some things she does. I just have
Firefox set as my primary browser in Dreamweaver.

This will take time. Thank you. I'll get back to you.

Good luck!

Gary

Hi! I'm back again. I have resolved my problem with Firefox. I had a problem
centering my site using Firefox and Netscape 8. I tinkered with the main
content container right and left adjustments. I am sure I am still violating
some CSS rules but it is working fine, the site is active, and me and my client
are pleased. So that category as far as I am concerned is closed. You may
review the site site at http://ahimsahaven.org I am proud of it.
I still have a problem with the alternate image tags. I have always used them
and thought they were necessary for identification. They are working fine but
you people claim that is a Microsoft Internet Browser error. I visited
firefoxes knowledge base and they tell me to use a title attribute. I searched
Dreamweaver and I seem to be opening up another can of worms.
Would you tell me in a simplified manner how to instruct Dreamweaver to write
a title tip for my images that Firefox and Netscape will display?

Good job. I applied ?title? according to "Malcolm N" instructions.
I checked all with Firefox, Netscape and Internet Explorer.
All work great.

Please be aware that I appreciate the help I received from this forum. I
started out Nov. 26 with an extremely complex problem. All problems are
resolved and I am completely satisfied with the assistance I received.

I will close the request. However, I know I will be back with some new problem
that I have yet to detect.

Thank you all.

Joe Dora

I just closed out my forum question and here I am again. I hope for the last
time.
Site is running perfectly. It has received 1443 visits since turned up to
traffic on December 12. I have received no complaints. But! Today a user
notified me that she could not see the content and it had dropped out of the
site. The site was visible but the content did not appear in it.
Upon investigation I found that in Internet Explorer if the display is shrunk
it will reduced for a time and then the content will drop to the bottom of the
page. It will drop completely off like it does not fit. The site remains
visible. The top of the content is barely visible and Internet Explorer must be
scrolled down to see it.
I tried this out in Netscape and Firefox and in both instances site reduces
correctly. In Internet Explorer it does not.
Can you help me?
Also, what does a user do to cause this? There is more than enough space
around the content to prevent this.
Site may be viewed at
http://ahimsahaven.org/

JD