Can't seem to format this right!!!...

Okay, I made a page two different ways, and they both have PART of what I need,
but I can't combine it to work properly! Here's one:

http://www.pauliesportfolio.com/indexNOFORM.html

This page uses an iFrame for the main part. I put the SAME CSS scrollbar
coding on this page (well, the iFrame's page) as I did on the textarea of the
form, but for some reason (as you can see) the scrollbar CSS didn't take.
Also, there's that horizonal scroll at the bottom that I can't get rid of (I
tried putting the text in the iFrame's .html file in a very thin table, and the
horizontal scroll is still there).

So, the first page above is fine, except there's no links. And the second
page about has links, but the scrollbar is a mess. I'd prefer to go the iFrame
route, if it's easier to "fix" that page. Thanks for any help that can be
offered!!!...

--Hoffman

..oO(DIY_Lobotomy)

Okay, I made a page two different ways, and they both have PART of what I need,
but I can't combine it to work properly! Here's one:

http://www.pauliesportfolio.com/indexNOFORM.html

This page uses an iFrame for the main part.

That's a _really_ bad idea, which causes several usubility issues. Not
to mention the image buttons.

Micha

That's a _really_ bad idea, which causes several usubility issues. Not
to mention the image buttons.
What's a bad idea? And what problems are caused with the image buttons? I
just wanted to fix the main homepage text! - is there more I should do?! Any
suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks!...

..oO(DIY_Lobotomy)

That's a _really_ bad idea, which causes several usubility issues. Not
to mention the image buttons.
What's a bad idea?

Such "keyhole" websites. Putting the main content in such a restricted
scrolling box is really bad and annoying because

* If the chosen height is too small (like in your case), users with a
big browser window will have a nearly empty window (3/4 in my Opera)
with a small box at the top (1/4), which requires a lot of scrolling.

* If the height is too big, users will end up with multiple vertical
scrollbars: One for the iframe, one for the browser window.

* The usual and most convenient ways to scroll down a page, the mouse
wheel and the space bar, don't work well there (if at all).

* I don't know how well search engines handle iframes.

* It will cause additional problems if a user is sent directly to the
iframe content from a search engine - there's no navigation.

And what problems are caused with the image buttons?

The hover states look strange here and the 'alt' attributes are missing,
which makes the site completely inaccessible for many people.

Additionally there's no background color defined for the body element
(not all people have a white browser background by default).

just wanted to fix the main homepage text! - is there more I should do?!

Another design maybe? Most websites (I would say 99%) don't restrict the
height of their content, they simply let it flow and let it take as much
space as it needs. This is the common way, which works very well in all
browsers.

Micha

Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
Most websites (I would say 99%) don't restrict the
height of their content, they simply let it flow and let it take as much
space as it needs. This is the common way, which works very well in all
browsers.

First off, thank you for your insight/comments. I really do appreciate you
taking the time...

...now, regarding the above comment, the only reason I put that text in an
iFrame is cuz all the other screens on the page are the exact same size (and
they DON'T scroll). So, I figured if you're clicking from page to page, that
way the navigation at the bottom would always be in the same spot (cuz the
height wouldn't change). Is that a bad way of thinking?...

...thanks again, everyone, for responding. The "constructive criticism" is
appreciated!

Is that a bad way of thinking?...

Yes - you sacrifice usability for an arbitrary target. Just let the page
scroll. People are used to it.

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"DIY_Lobotomy" <webforumsuser (AT) macromedia (DOT) com> wrote

Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
Most websites (I would say 99%) don't restrict the
height of their content, they simply let it flow and let it take as much
space as it needs. This is the common way, which works very well in all
browsers.

First off, thank you for your insight/comments. I really do appreciate
you
taking the time...

...now, regarding the above comment, the only reason I put that text in an
iFrame is cuz all the other screens on the page are the exact same size
(and
they DON'T scroll). So, I figured if you're clicking from page to page,
that
way the navigation at the bottom would always be in the same spot (cuz the
height wouldn't change). Is that a bad way of thinking?...

...thanks again, everyone, for responding. The "constructive criticism"
is
appreciated!