Re: Different height under HTML4 and XHTML

On 3$B7n(B5$BF|(B, $B2<8a(B5$B;~(B47$BJ,(B, dorayme <doraymeRidT... (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

First, it would help to see the difference live. I am seeing no
difference between

http://howachen.googlepages.com/html4.html

and

http://howachen.googlepages.com/xhtml-ns.html> in my Firefox?

Nor in my Safari, iCab or Opera. Not a pixel.

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dorayme

I use Firebug to inspect the header, which tell me 41px VS 38px (HTML
vs XHTML-NS).

I will do more testing on other browsers, if this is the case, I will
report to Mozilla.

Thank you very much.

Howard.

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howa <howachen (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

On 3åé5ì™, â†åþ5éû47ï�, dorayme <doraymeRidT... (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:
First, it would help to see the difference live. I am seeing no
difference between

http://howachen.googlepages.com/html4.html

and

http://howachen.googlepages.com/xhtml-ns.html> in my Firefox?

Nor in my Safari, iCab or Opera. Not a pixel.

--
dorayme

I use Firebug to inspect the header, which tell me 41px VS 38px (HTML
vs XHTML-NS).

I will do more testing on other browsers, if this is the case, I will
report to Mozilla.

Thank you very much.

Well, it is hard to say. I can see no difference when looking at
the browser window itself and switching views between the one and
the other in separate tabs. Perhaps Firebug has a bug or is
operating with defaults of its own? Or the browsers on my Mac are
reacting differently to the ones on Windows machines?

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dorayme

On 3月5日, 下�6時36分, dorayme <doraymeRidT... (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

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howa <howac... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
On 3åé5ì™, ââ€*åþ5éû47ï , dorayme <doraymeRidT... (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:
First, it would help to see the difference live. I am seeing no
difference between

http://howachen.googlepages.com/html4.html

and

http://howachen.googlepages.com/xhtml-ns.html> in my Firefox?

Nor in my Safari, iCab or Opera. Not a pixel.

--
dorayme

I use Firebug to inspect the header, which tell me 41px VS 38px (HTML
vs XHTML-NS).

I will do more testing on other browsers, if this is the case, I will
report to Mozilla.

Thank you very much.

Well, it is hard to say. I can see no difference when looking at
the browser window itself and switching views between the one and
the other in separate tabs. Perhaps Firebug has a bug or is
operating with defaults of its own? Or the browsers on my Mac are
reacting differently to the ones on Windows machines?

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dorayme

Nope..

I see difference in height by `eye` on these two pages:

http://howachen.googlepages.com/xhtml.html
http://howachen.googlepages.com/xhtml-ns.html

I am using Chinese Windows XP Home, FF 2.0.0.12


Howard

"dorayme" <doraymeRidThis (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote

Well, it is hard to say. I can see no difference when looking at
the browser window itself and switching views between the one and
the other in separate tabs.

Come on dorayme, I can see it, right there, there's a HUGE difference. Three
whole pixels. Almost a half a bloody millimetre of valuable screen real
estate just simply wasted, thrown away, by that recaltricant browser. This
is big stuff we are talking about here. Almost enough space to herd a couple
of very small ants through if you make them politely tuck their legs in. You
know, those little full stoppy sized two pixel wide black buggers that sneak
into the kitchen through the cracks in the floor and take half a day to make
off with a single sugar crystal between them.

This three pixel difference is Devastating. Throws the entire design out of
kilter.

And what if the OP uses <shudder> another browser </shudder> where the
difference could be even greater. What if the difference is an unbelievable
four pixels?

We will just have to throw our hands up in despair and repair to the bar for
a jar of beer, deer :-)

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Richard.

howa wrote:

On 3$B7n(B5$BF|(B, $B2<8a(B5$B;~(B47$BJ,(B, dorayme <doraymeRidT... (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:
First, it would help to see the difference live. I am seeing no
difference between

http://howachen.googlepages.com/html4.html

and

http://howachen.googlepages.com/xhtml-ns.html> in my Firefox?

Nor in my Safari, iCab or Opera. Not a pixel.

--
dorayme

I use Firebug to inspect the header, which tell me 41px VS 38px (HTML
vs XHTML-NS).

I will do more testing on other browsers, if this is the case, I will
report to Mozilla.

Using Firebug here FF2.0.0.12 on WinXp and both report 37px.


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Take care,

Jonathan
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LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

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"dorayme" <doraymeRidThis (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote in message
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Well, it is hard to say. I can see no difference when looking at
the browser window itself and switching views between the one and
the other in separate tabs.

Come on dorayme, I can see it, right there, there's a HUGE difference. Three
whole pixels. Almost a half a bloody millimetre of valuable screen real
estate just simply wasted, thrown away, by that recaltricant browser. This
is big stuff we are talking about here. Almost enough space to herd a couple
of very small ants through if you make them politely tuck their legs in. You
know, those little full stoppy sized two pixel wide black buggers that sneak
into the kitchen through the cracks in the floor and take half a day to make
off with a single sugar crystal between them.

Three pixels might not mean much to you, mate, but I say every
pixel has a right to life, every pixel is an individual. No man
has a right to dismiss even one of them, never mind a multitude
(I remind you that we are talking here of a whole mob of them, a
gang, a triplet troupe in an act of appearing and disappearing).

I stop to talk to every little pixel I see, I am appalled by the
callousness of so many that will just walk by the odd loner. They
are not all the same, you know! Each one I have ever met has had
its own personality. On their own, they are the dearest little
things. They are very sensitive and weep and bleed. I maintain a
little home for lost pixels and none have wandered in during the
last couple of days.

Do you know - or even care - that they all actually hate being in
JPEG gear? No less than chooks like being in battery cages?

OK, I will look again. And put on a grid to assist the eye and
brain. Here they are:

<http://netweaver.com.au/alt/howa/html.html>

and

<http://netweaver.com.au/alt/howa/xhtml.html>

And, I say again, that I do not detect the slightest difference
in pixels between the two on my FF, nor on Safari running on a
Mac. So, if you are seeing a difference in two tabs while yet
having the text size the same, then the cause must be found in
the particular platform version.

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dorayme

On 3$B7n(B6$BF|(B, $B>e8a(B7$B;~(B25$BJ,(B, dorayme <doraymeRidT... (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

And, I say again, that I do not detect the slightest difference
in pixels between the two on my FF, nor on Safari running on a
Mac. So, if you are seeing a difference in two tabs while yet
having the text size the same, then the cause must be found in
the particular platform version.

--
dorayme

This is my findings:

I have tested on 2 separate PC running Chinese Windows XP, and noticed
the difference (IE7 and Opera9 is okay)
I have tested on 1 PC running English Windows XP, and don't noticed
the difference

So possibly this is OS languages dependent.

I will report this to mozilla, thank you for all your input.

Howard

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On 3$B7n(B6$BF|(B, $B>e8a(B7$B;~(B25$BJ,(B, dorayme
doraymeRidT... (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

And, I say again, that I do not detect the slightest difference
in pixels between the two on my FF, nor on Safari running on a
Mac. So, if you are seeing a difference in two tabs while yet
having the text size the same, then the cause must be found in
the particular platform version.

--
dorayme

This is my findings:

I have tested on 2 separate PC running Chinese Windows XP, and noticed
the difference (IE7 and Opera9 is okay)
I have tested on 1 PC running English Windows XP, and don't noticed
the difference

So possibly this is OS languages dependent.

I will report this to mozilla, thank you for all your input.

Interesting. So you are seeing a difference on the *grid* of

<http://netweaver.com.au/alt/howa/html.html>

compared to

<http://netweaver.com.au/alt/howa/xhtml.html>

I assume.

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dorayme

On 3$B7n(B7$BF|(B, $B2<8a(B12$B;~(B29$BJ,(B, dorayme <doraymeRidT... (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

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howa <howac... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
On 3$B7n(B6$BF|(B, $B>e8a(B7$B;~(B25$BJ,(B, dorayme
doraymeRidT... (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

And, I say again, that I do not detect the slightest difference
in pixels between the two on my FF, nor on Safari running on a
Mac. So, if you are seeing a difference in two tabs while yet
having the text size the same, then the cause must be found in
the particular platform version.

--
dorayme

This is my findings:

I have tested on 2 separate PC running Chinese Windows XP, and noticed
the difference (IE7 and Opera9 is okay)
I have tested on 1 PC running English Windows XP, and don't noticed
the difference

So possibly this is OS languages dependent.

I will report this to mozilla, thank you for all your input.

Interesting. So you are seeing a difference on the *grid* of

http://netweaver.com.au/alt/howa/html.html

compared to

http://netweaver.com.au/alt/howa/xhtml.html

I assume.

--
dorayme

Yes, tried your demo and also seeing different height, on FF 2.0.0.12,
only Chinese Windows has this problem so far. (English XP is fine)

On IE7 and Opera9, it is fine. So I believe this is OS/languages
related issue on FF only.


Thanks.

Howard

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dorayme
doraymeRidT... (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

This is my findings:

I have tested on 2 separate PC running Chinese Windows XP, and noticed
the difference (IE7 and Opera9 is okay)
I have tested on 1 PC running English Windows XP, and don't noticed
the difference

So possibly this is OS languages dependent.

I will report this to mozilla, thank you for all your input.

Interesting. So you are seeing a difference on the *grid* of

http://netweaver.com.au/alt/howa/html.html

compared to

http://netweaver.com.au/alt/howa/xhtml.html

I assume.

--
dorayme

Yes, tried your demo and also seeing different height, on FF 2.0.0.12,
only Chinese Windows has this problem so far. (English XP is fine)

On IE7 and Opera9, it is fine. So I believe this is OS/languages
related issue on FF only.

Well done for tracking it down so far.

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dorayme