Newbie questions RE: Learning CSS

John Hosking wrote:

Blinky the Shark wrote:
Jonathan N. Little wrote:

BestStudentViolins.com wrote:
On Dec 23, 5:34 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" wrote:
Except that via web it is instantly LARGE PRINT (even in IE) and Cut'n
Paste-able for hands on learning and with a screen reader or Opera with
plugin can be read to you...I think more accessible than a book.

You can think whatever you like, but unless you're a nearly 60 year
old woman with multiple schlerosis (among other difficulties), then i
don't think you get a vote.
We're voting here?

I'm voting that there's no "h" in "sclerosis".

Typical conservative.

I don't do politics.

Seems funny a sufferer wouldn't know how it's spelled.

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On Dec 24, 1:00*pm, Blinky the Shark <no.s... (AT) box (DOT) invalid> wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:
BestStudentViolins.com wrote:
On Dec 23, 5:34 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4... (AT) centralva (DOT) net
[...]
You can think whatever you like, but unless you're a nearly 60 year
old woman with multiple schlerosis (among other difficulties), then i
don't think you get a vote.

We're voting here?

I'm voting that there's no "h" in "sclerosis".

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Blinky
Killing all posts from Google Groups
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And exposing a serious bias against those who use a browser to access
Usenet.


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Rob

RobG wrote:

On Dec 24, 1:00*pm, Blinky the Shark <no.s... (AT) box (DOT) invalid> wrote:
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
BestStudentViolins.com wrote:
On Dec 23, 5:34 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4... (AT) centralva (DOT) net
[...]
You can think whatever you like, but unless you're a nearly 60 year
old woman with multiple schlerosis (among other difficulties), then i
don't think you get a vote.

We're voting here?

I'm voting that there's no "h" in "sclerosis".

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Blinky
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project -http://improve-usenet.org

And exposing a serious bias against those who use a browser to access
Usenet.

I think "expressing" is a better verb, since I've never tried to hide that
bias that they have earned. I also have a bias against being hit by a car
and against being poisoned. What? You thought all biases were bad?

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RobG wrote:

On Dec 24, 1:00*pm, Blinky the Shark <no.s... (AT) box (DOT) invalid> wrote:
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
BestStudentViolins.com wrote:
On Dec 23, 5:34 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4... (AT) centralva (DOT) net
[...]
You can think whatever you like, but unless you're a nearly 60 year
old woman with multiple schlerosis (among other difficulties), then i
don't think you get a vote.

We're voting here?

I'm voting that there's no "h" in "sclerosis".

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Blinky
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project -http://improve-usenet.org

And exposing a serious bias against those who use a browser to access
Usenet.

Oops. Second reply. I should mention that in keeping with the spirit of
the holidays, I disabled my Google Groper filter for the 24 hours of
December 25th. That's the only reason I saw your post, and had I noticed
that you were a Google Groper yourself and not just a Google Groper
hugger, before I replied, I wouldn't have bothered. Indeed, I said I was
disabling my filter, but I did not promise that I'd fraternize with
Gropers.

Learn what *others* are saying about you -- *please*:
http://improve-usenet.org/voices1.html
What? You're different? Lie with dogs; wake up with fleas.

Blinky out; it's nearly December 26.


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Blinky
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On 26/12/2007 in message
<pan.2007.12.26.06.33.42.673459 (AT) thurston (DOT) blinkynet.net> Blinky the Shark
wrote:

Learn what others are saying about you -- please:
http://improve-usenet.org/voices1.html
What? You're different? Lie with dogs; wake up with fleas.

You think Google groups is bad?

Try the MSFT equivalent:
http://www.microsoft.com/communities...D-2224A4FEB3EA

apparently they are called Microsoft discussion groups, not Usenet.

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Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK
There are 10 types of people in the world, those who do binary and those
who don't.

On Dec 26, 12:33 am, Blinky the Shark <no.s... (AT) box (DOT) invalid> wrote:

RobG wrote:
On Dec 24, 1:00 pm, Blinky the Shark <no.s... (AT) box (DOT) invalid> wrote:
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
BestStudentViolins.com wrote:
On Dec 23, 5:34 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4... (AT) centralva (DOT) net
[...]
You can think whatever you like, but unless you're a nearly 60 year
old woman with multiple schlerosis (among other difficulties), then i
don't think you get a vote.

We're voting here?

I'm voting that there's no "h" in "sclerosis".

--
Blinky
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project -http://improve-usenet.org

And exposing a serious bias against those who use a browser to access
Usenet.

Oops. Second reply. I should mention that in keeping with the spirit of
the holidays, I disabled my Google Groper filter for the 24 hours of
December 25th. That's the only reason I saw your post, and had I noticed
that you were a Google Groper yourself and not just a Google Groper
hugger, before I replied, I wouldn't have bothered. Indeed, I said I was
disabling my filter, but I did not promise that I'd fraternize with
Gropers.

Learn what *others* are saying about you -- *please*:http://improve-usenet.org/voices1.html
What? You're different? Lie with dogs; wake up with fleas.

Blinky out; it's nearly December 26.

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Blinky
About to kill all posts from Google Groupers again
The Usenet Improvement Project -http://improve-usenet.org

have you always been a ass?

RobG wrote:

On Dec 24, 1:00 pm, Blinky the Shark <no.s... (AT) box (DOT) invalid> wrote:
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
BestStudentViolins.com wrote:
On Dec 23, 5:34 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4... (AT) centralva (DOT) net
[...]
You can think whatever you like, but unless you're a nearly 60 year
old woman with multiple schlerosis (among other difficulties), then i
don't think you get a vote.
We're voting here?
I'm voting that there's no "h" in "sclerosis".

--
Blinky
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project -http://improve-usenet.org

And exposing a serious bias against those who use a browser to access
Usenet.

The problem with GG is that it provided access to Usenet to the masses
without any introduction to the established protocol. A number of
misconceptions and irritations have resulted. It is like crashing the
party in jeans without bothering to discover that it is black tie
affair. Most problems could be avoided if GoogleGroupers would Google
the term "lurk"[1]*first!*

When it was newsreader only one had to subscribe first; that tended to
get people to "lurk" before posting and they could learn the etiquette
and protocol first. Things like how to make a brief but descriptive
subject line [not "Help"]. How to quote [2] and what is a thread?[2]
That Usenet's purpose is for discussion and not a help desk[3]


[1]Since GoogleGroups is connected to the search engine it does add a
very useful feature. GoogleGroups made it much easier to locate topics
of discussion. Maybe the error was to expand the service to allow
posting! It is simply amazing how many GoogleGroupers *never* think to
Google first before asking the questions that are asked millions of
times... "Table or CSS?", "Pixels or Points?", "How to make 2 Columns
with a Table?", ... ad nauseam

[2]Because GoogleGroup "reformats" and displays the NewsGroups in web
browsers as a webpage, GoogleGroupers are under the misconception that
Usenet is a website and that a thread is a webpage. A thread is *not*
the linear webpage that *you* see but a dendritic collection of
connected messages and therefore they have an annoying tendency to not
quote their references, assuming what they are referring to is just a
few lines above. Or they will make such incomprehensible statements as
"In the 4th message..."

[3]Since Usenet was created for discussion on various topics for folks
interested is such topics GoogleGroups opening it all, The clueless, the
malicious, the oblivious and the huddled mases... the discussion for the
most part has been lost. It is unfortunate that a pretty good idea, an
easy search engine for Usenet, can be so harmful through misuse and
ignorance. For the "lost", yes Usenet can be a wonderful learning tool
and source for solutions, and GoogleGroups could make it easy for
newbies to find these answers, but it not a help desk, and the
GoogleGrouper after making the above transgressions to follow up with
demands for "satisfaction"! Well, I hope you can understand the
frustration and the prejudice of the regulars.

Personally I joined this NewsGroups because of my interest in *html*. I
am not interested in "finding God" whatever the flavor-of-the-week
version is being currently pushed. Or in some snake-oil SEO, clueless
grade-school web design, affiliate web hosting, cheap porn DVDs spam. It
is fun learning about problems with html and discovering solutions, but
normally containing blocks are not supposed to expand and contain
floated children--IE is the on that has got it wrong!

I hope (but do not really expect) the next to bring more Usenet worthy
topics...

<glances left and then right, slowly descends from soapbox...>


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Take care,

Jonathan
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LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

RobG wrote:
On Dec 24, 1:00 pm, Blinky the Shark <no.s... (AT) box (DOT) invalid> wrote:
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
BestStudentViolins.com wrote:
On Dec 23, 5:34 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4... (AT) centralva (DOT) net
[...]
You can think whatever you like, but unless you're a nearly 60 year
old woman with multiple schlerosis (among other difficulties), then i
don't think you get a vote.
We're voting here?
I'm voting that there's no "h" in "sclerosis".

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Blinky
Killing all posts from Google Groups

Seems like overkill. Some people who know what they're doing use Google
Groups.

The Usenet Improvement Project -http://improve-usenet.org

And exposing a serious bias against those who use a browser to access
Usenet.

The problem with GG is that it provided access to Usenet to the masses
without any introduction to the established protocol.

That doesn't distinguish it from any of the newsreaders I've ever used,
none of which has ever presented a tutorial that I was required to get
through before it would allow me to access Usenet.

A number of
misconceptions and irritations have resulted. It is like crashing the
party in jeans without bothering to discover that it is black tie
affair. Most problems could be avoided if GoogleGroupers would Google
the term "lurk"[1]*first!*

When it was newsreader only one had to subscribe first;

You say that as though it's a hurdle that has to be gotten over. All
"subscribe" means is "select the group(s) you want to look at". It isn't
an application for membership and no test or approval is involved.

that tended to
get people to "lurk" before posting

How does "subscribing" accomplish that?

and they could learn the etiquette
and protocol first. Things like how to make a brief but descriptive
subject line [not "Help"]. How to quote [2] and what is a thread?[2]
That Usenet's purpose is for discussion and not a help desk[3]

Harlan Messinger wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

A number of misconceptions and irritations have resulted. It is like
crashing the party in jeans without bothering to discover that it is
black tie affair. Most problems could be avoided if GoogleGroupers
would Google the term "lurk"[1]*first!*

When it was newsreader only one had to subscribe first;

You say that as though it's a hurdle that has to be gotten over. All
"subscribe" means is "select the group(s) you want to look at". It isn't
an application for membership and no test or approval is involved.

Well, actually in a way it does. It requires a little more effort and
technical know-how to setup the newsreader, locate a NG, subscribe,
download headers, peruse, and post. If it were so easy compared to GG
gadfly approach of posting|spamming random groups as we see than why do
they seem at a loss when challenged to use a real newsreader?

that tended to get people to "lurk" before posting

How does "subscribing" accomplish that?

and they could learn the etiquette
and protocol first. Things like how to make a brief but descriptive
subject line [not "Help"]. How to quote [2] and what is a thread?[2]
That Usenet's purpose is for discussion and not a help desk[3]

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Take care,

Jonathan
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LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

RobG wrote:
Blinky the Shark wrote:
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Blinky
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org
And exposing a serious bias against those who use a browser to access
Usenet.

RobG, don't you think the fact that nine-tenths of Usenet spam comes
through a Google Groups portal is reason enough to have a bias against
it? And that a large part of the remainder is "clueless" posting?

The problem with GG is that it provided access to Usenet to the masses
without any introduction to the established protocol. ...

Well said, Jonathan. You should make a web page with this content (oh
wait, you already have!).

Thank you. Er, have I? I think that is Blinky. I guess Blinky could add
it to his if he wishes.

I especially like, "It is like crashing the party in jeans without
bothering to discover that it is black tie affair."

Maybe I am a more cautious sort, and observed more be for posting back
in the earlier GG-type "DejaNews". I made clumsy mistakes, got
corrected,learned and adjusted. I did not belligerently defend my
ignorance...

And anyway, I find html more interesting than changing my creator.

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Take care,

Jonathan
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LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com