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Don't bother saving white-space
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Re: Don't bother saving white-space -
08-20-2004
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56K is the theoretical maximum, in reality this is never achieved, sub 50K is pretty normal. OK. In a previous configuration I always got 56 (to the nearest K), so I assumed that was normal. |
DTE is the comport speed and it's a common misconfiguration. Ever seen
people reporting that their modems connect @ 115KBps? Same cause
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Come again? I always use tabs to make my source more readable and I cannot see what should be wrong with it. As regards to formatting HTML source, tabs may take you to some tab stops, or they may not, depending on the program you're using. |
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I don't see why you would use tabs, |
I save lots of space characters for a single tab.
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when spaces work so much more reliably |
about newlines? Don't you have any newlines in your souce text?
Space, tab, newline are equally valid white space.
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In what respect is a space more reliable than a tab? |
next tab stop, and tab stops are set differently in different programs.
This is relevant, since this was about using tabs for formatting HTML
source.
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In what respect is a space more reliable than a tab? And what about newlines? Don't you have any newlines in your souce text? Space, tab, newline are equally valid white space. |
your code, and it saves it as spaces instead. You get the time-saving
benefit of the tab key and the more predictable spacing of regular spaces,
both together.
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Andreas Prilop <nhtcapri (AT) rrzn-user (DOT) uni-hannover.de> wrote: In what respect is a space more reliable than a tab? A space forwards exactly one character position. A tab may forward to the next tab stop, and tab stops are set differently in different programs. This is relevant, since this was about using tabs for formatting HTML source. |
amount that I prefer, then when you edit or view the file, you can set
it to what you prefer. If the tool does not allow you to set tabstops,
get a better tool!
Note that I only use tabs to indent lines, so they at the beginning of
the lines.
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Stephen Poley wrote: The first page loads in 3 seconds, the second in 8 seconds - both figures seem to be repeatable. This suggests that if you took a file Here are two more data points for you, both over 24kbps modem from USA west coast: 2) wget: D:\test>timethis wget -q http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/checklist.html | grep "Elapsed" TimeThis : Elapsed Time : 00:00:05.107 D:\test>timethis wget -q http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/misc/checklist.html | grep "Elapsed" TimeThis : Elapsed Time : 00:00:15.322 |
real 0m0.204s
$ time wget -q http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/misc/checklist.html
real 0m1.158s
I'm an xs4all user myself and 4 hops away from the xs4all webserver over
an ADSL line (2240/416 Kbit/s (down-/upstream)). Anyway, the ratio seems
to be the same for me on a fast(er) line very near to the server as for
Andrew over a slow(er) line in USA.
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Crimson Editor, and I'm sure others, allows you to use the tab to indent your code, and it saves it as spaces instead. You get the time-saving benefit of the tab key and the more predictable spacing of regular spaces, both together. |
Different people like different tab widths, so configuring this in the
user's editor is the right way to do it. One code example, and each
get's to see it with their preferred tab width.
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004, Jukka K. Korpela wrote: I don't see why you would use tabs, Because a tab says more than 1000 spaces - so to speak ;-) I save lots of space characters for a single tab. |
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Stephen Poley <sbpoleySpicedHamTrap (AT) xs4all (DOT) nl> wrote: People in these groups, and on web-pages, not infrequently suggest that it is worthwhile cutting down on white-space and comments in HTML and CSS. |
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I'd suggest that whitespace and comments are 2 different things. |
in this NG to put your back to it and go on to present a decent article
that describes solid results from studies you have made.
all the best...
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People in these groups, and on web-pages, not infrequently suggest that it is worthwhile cutting down on white-space and comments in HTML and CSS in order to reduce loading times. I and others have more than once doubted this, given the data-compression in the HTTP protocol. Having seen it suggested again a couple of times in the last few days, I decided it was time for a test on the effect of white-space. |
of presentational elements and attributes.[1]
In fact, I was recently charged with helping one of our clients (a large
gov't entity) decrease the file size of their pages. It seems like these
folks have never even heard of CSS. A typical page for them contains 8
nested tables (3-4 deep. I've seen up to 6-deep on their pages with forms)
and all presentation with HTML. NO CSS with exception of typography. Some of
their pages are 100kb+ of HTML alone. With images, they can get to 200kb
fast.
I'm not done with the project, but I'm guessing I can get them into the
15-25kb range and still keep their exact look & feel.
[1] - bigger, as it relates to this NG. The biggest problem, of course, is
images
-Karl
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