BGCOLOR only in Opera, not other browsers (valid page)

On Wed, 7 May 2008 09:40:03 +0300, "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela (AT) cs (DOT) tut.fi>
wrote:

Scripsit steve:

This group (and *.stylesheets) are worthwhile to browse and search
through previously answered posts, but that's it.

And you need to be able to recognize useful content from crap (which
sometimes _looks_ useful).

A poster's name is usually informative. If it doesn't even look like
anyone's real full name, the odds are that nothing in the message is
real.

But be wary of using your mail address without something to keep
robot spammers from hitting you. Some time ago there was (and is?) a
virus called "swen" -- news spelled backwards -- which used
addresses collected from newsgroups here. I had the misfortune of
getting it by carelessness in displaying my address.

It's not a place to ask questions.

an exception to my usenet experience (Mason C)

Unless, of course, you wish to ask well, by the netiquette, which
includes informativeness and answering any clarifying questions.

Moreover, the odds are that if you have resisted any temptation to read
tutorials and FAQs, you will just get more confused. In this group, you
just learn that faster than elsewhere.

On Tue, 6 May 2008 18:43:17 -0700, "steve" <anon (AT) anonxxxxyyyyyy (DOT) com> wrote:

The spirit of this group amazes me. Anger. Attacking trivia.
What's going on? This would be a place for a psychologist to study.

This group (and *.stylesheets) are worthwhile to browse and search through
previously answered posts, but that's it. It's not a place to ask
questions. You'll receive more commentary about your posting style
(particularly quoting styles, as you noted) and your failure to account for
the entire Earth's population before one of the helpful posters comes
around. There are far better and efficient places to ask questions.

Regarding html and css problems, please suggest some place.

Mason C

That said, it's still worth it to scan the threads now and then to pick up
some tidbits - and perhaps laugh at the absurd flame wars that just keep
coming around here.

Just bear in mind that responses are almost entirely geared towards
accessiblity with issues such as development time, target audience, design
aesthetics, etc. all trivial in comparison. As such, for private ventures,
the advice often fails the "real world" test. Think "academia": there's a
wealth of knowledge (and arrogance) but chances are you'll need to tweak
what you read/learn to make it useful in the real world. Don't take the
replies in here as gospel, despite the convictions of those posting.

Mason C <masoncXXX (AT) XXXfrontal-lobe (DOT) info> writes:

But be wary of using your mail address without something to keep
robot spammers from hitting you.

One of the few good things Hotmail is good for - spamtrap addresses. :-)

sherm--

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Mason C <masoncXXX (AT) XXXfrontal-lobe (DOT) info> writes:

Oh, ok. I am learning. This is the age of Television. No longer the age of
Radio and Reading. Seriously, I do some writing and this is not trivial.

Simply stating "there is no color" is not enough.

What are you going on about? You said yourself, the problem wasn't with the
page, it was caused by a Windows setting on your computer. No one else could
see what you meant by "there is no color" - hence the requests for a screen
shot.

The words cannot be
visualized by people raised on TV. The imagination exercised by
reading is lacking today. --- but there's Harry Potter coming to the
rescue -- at least for some kids who read and don't just go to the movies.

This isn't writing or art we're talking about - we're talking about debugging
an HTML page. It's a technical process, not a creative one, and such things
demand precision. Would you tell a mechanic "my car won't start," then yell
at him for not "visualizing" properly when he wants to see the engine? Would
you tell a doctor "my head hurts," then claim her "imagination is lacking"
when she wants to do a CAT scan?

Honestly, you're *way* overreacting. A screen shot is not difficult, nor is
it at all unusual to ask for one, but you're carrying on as if someone had
demanded a kidney from you. Get a grip.

sherm--

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My blog: http://shermspace.blogspot.com
Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net

Mason C wrote:

On Wed, 7 May 2008 09:40:03 +0300, "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela (AT) cs (DOT) tut.fi
wrote:

A poster's name is usually informative. If it doesn't even look like
anyone's real full name, the odds are that nothing in the message is
real.

But be wary of using your mail address without something to keep
robot spammers from hitting you. Some time ago there was (and is?) a
virus called "swen" -- news spelled backwards -- which used
addresses collected from newsgroups here. I had the misfortune of
getting it by carelessness in displaying my address.

Been using my real email for at least a decade. Same email address as
well. Get so spam but not as much as most folks, SeaMonkey filters most.
Biggest trigger to catch spam I have found is to go to the "wrong"
websites... Now that my kids are gone and there are no teenagers in the
house the spam load is a fraction of past levels...

Unless, of course, you wish to ask well, by the netiquette, which
includes informativeness and answering any clarifying questions.

Learn to ask you questions better. Give a URL, and learn to be more
accurate in your description and your results may improve.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
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LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

This group (and *.stylesheets) are worthwhile to browse and search through
previously answered posts, but that's it. It's not a place to ask
questions. You'll receive more commentary about your posting style
(particularly quoting styles, as you noted) and your failure to account
for
the entire Earth's population before one of the helpful posters comes
around. There are far better and efficient places to ask questions.

Regarding html and css problems, please suggest some place.

Mason C

Give http://www.codingforums.com/index.php a try. I've had positive
experiences there.

http://www.webmasterworld.com *was* probably the best, prior to it moving to
a subscription model. I've heard the occasional comment that it's still
worth it, but I can't claim to know much about the present paying community.
Still appears very active.

And you need to be able to recognize useful content from crap (which
sometimes _looks_ useful).

A poster's name is usually informative. If it doesn't even look like
anyone's real full name, the odds are that nothing in the message is real.

In my opinion the authenticity of a poster's name is not a valid indicator
of the usefulness of the post.

Far more relevant is the context from which the author is speaking. Some
posters are indeed experts and provide very accurate information about HTML
(or CSS, in the other group), yet move far beyond their scope of knowledge
and add unsolicited criticism and advice about design and UI decisions. Far
too often the advice is horrible, particularly when the OP's objective is
revenue or lead generation versus the newsgroup's seemingly pre-defined goal
of content delivery.

This is an interesting newsgroup to discuss theory, and perhaps learn best
practices for sites destined to serve a public interest. For the authors of
sites serving commercial interests, following the (technically accurate)
advice offered on this group is often a horrible idea. It's better to find
an online community that caters to webmasters working within a similar
context, in contrast to what is found here.

In article <482281f5$0$34551$742ec2ed (AT) news (DOT) sonic.net>,
"steve" <anon (AT) anonxxxxxxxyyyyyyy (DOT) com> wrote:

And you need to be able to recognize useful content from crap (which
sometimes _looks_ useful).

A poster's name is usually informative. If it doesn't even look like
anyone's real full name, the odds are that nothing in the message is real.

In my opinion the authenticity of a poster's name is not a valid indicator
of the usefulness of the post.

Are you saying you base your judgement on what is being said rather than
the name of the author? Now that is quite staggeringly novel! That is my
view too!

But Korpela is a bit of an idiot on all this stuff and will never get
it. He is best ignored when he talks about anything but actual
technicalities. Outside his special field, he is an ignorant fool and a
coward who hides behind his name to make gratuitous insults on all sorts
of people.

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dorayme