BGCOLOR only in Opera, not other browsers (valid page)

Mon, 05 May 2008 12:24:31 -0700, /Mason C/:

OK, it's time to call everyone together and reveal that the butler did it.

In Windows XP: Control Panel -- Accessibility Options -- [X] Use High Contrast

It was checked in Chapter One, long ago, and we all missed it.

I *always* use a good browser, Opera, which ignores that WinXP option.

How does not supporting/honoring certain OS feature makes Opera a
better browser? If you say Safari is better in the same regard - I
dislike pretty much the inability to set preferred languages when
requesting pages (the Accept-Language header) in Safari on Windows.
I've read Safari on Mac uses the system user preferences for this
purpose but on Windows it always defaults to English (as far as I've
observed).

--
Stanimir

On Tue, 6 May 2008 10:47:59 +0300, "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela (AT) cs (DOT) tut.fi>
wrote:

Scripsit Mason C:

On Mon, 05 May 2008 18:55:38 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little"
lws4art (AT) central (DOT) net> wrote:

I'll snip the long post -- it can be read in the original post.

That's a foolish quotation - an attribution of nothing. If you don't
like to play by Usenet rules, please go away.

I asked a simple question.

In the most confusing way.

I asked a simple question and got all sorts of abuse for things about
my example page that had *nothing* to do with the question.

Get real. This is a discussion forum, not a helpdesk. You post
something, we discuss its implications. If it happens to answer a
question you asked or you had in your mind, that's coincidental.

Besides, the page you posted needs a rewrite, not fixing, especially
since the thing you saw as a problem was just a browser configuration
problem (as you would have learned very fast if you had described the
problem properly).

I don't won't to leave an error here. It was *not* a browser configuration
problem. It was a Windows XP configuration problem. I had at some
time long ago set XP (not a browser) accessibility to high contrast.

It was not an html problem. It was not a browser problem. However,
the differing reactions among the browsers caused confusion.

Standards, where are they?

bye bye

Mason C

The simple "no color" statement seemed never to be understood.
I am at a loss to understand this. I should post a picture of *no
color* ?

No, just a URL of such an image. You did not actually see "no color",
any more than you can see the air as such. You probably saw white or
some shade of gray; they're colors. But this was just a tiny part of the
confusion you created.

All that said, I do appreciate Jonathan's demonstration
of a modern code for the example page.

Well, it was wrong in a couple of ways, and off-topic (CSS, not HTML),
so you had better start from a modern book on web authoring.

I hope never again to have a *simple* question.

There are no simple questions.

Scripsit Mason C:

[ a fullquote, often a useful indication of cluelessness, arrogance, or
sloppiness ]

I don't won't to leave an error here. It was *not* a browser
configuration problem.

Whatever. What you regard as "browser configuration" is quite irrelevant
to HTML authoring for the WWW.

Thank you for making it so clear that at least by now, everyone should
killfile you to avoid seeing any more pointless babbling from you. Thank
you indeed. Please do not change your forged From field before you have
a clue. Thank you in advance.

--
Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

On Tue, 6 May 2008 14:31:56 +0300, "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela (AT) cs (DOT) tut.fi>
wrote:

Scripsit Mason C:

[ a fullquote, often a useful indication of cluelessness, arrogance, or
sloppiness ]

I don't won't to leave an error here. It was *not* a browser
configuration problem.

Whatever. What you regard as "browser configuration" is quite irrelevant
to HTML authoring for the WWW.

Thank you for making it so clear that at least by now, everyone should
killfile you to avoid seeing any more pointless babbling from you. Thank
you indeed. Please do not change your forged From field before you have
a clue. Thank you in advance.

"Forged From Field" ? Am I supposed to shut up and go away after
such a remark? "foreged"? Anti-spammed, yes. But "forged"?

The spirit of this group amazes me. Anger. Attacking trivia.
What's going on? This would be a place for a psychologist to study.

The unexpected intrusion of Windows XP into the appearance of
a web site is worth knowing about. Now you know.

And, obviously, it *was* unexpected or someone would have warned
me about it as a cause of my problem.

Have *fun* kids,

Mason C

In article <hpa124ljs5isg54jars77ick40hvsdpdf7 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
Mason C <masoncXXX (AT) XXXfrontal-lobe (DOT) info> wrote:

The spirit of this group amazes me. Anger. Attacking trivia.
What's going on? This would be a place for a psychologist to study.

pssst... Mason... I have big fat dossiers on *everyone* here, saucy
details that go from their mental states, their wealth to the very
furnishings of their killfiles. Interested in some excerpts? $US7.50 for
a taste. You can purchase the full profiles at rates that will be
communicated to you.

Btw, if you want them in colour, please add $US5.

--
dorayme

On Tue, 6 May 2008 17:33:27 -0400, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous (AT) example (DOT) invalid> wrote:

Mason C wrote:

And, obviously, it *was* unexpected or someone would have warned me
about it as a cause of my problem.

Someone might have, if you had posted the requested screenshot.

Oh, ok. I am learning. This is the age of Television. No longer the age of
Radio and Reading. Seriously, I do some writing and this is not trivial.

Simply stating "there is no color" is not enough. The words cannot be
visualized by people raised on TV. The imagination exercised by
reading is lacking today. --- but there's Harry Potter coming to the
rescue -- at least for some kids who read and don't just go to the movies.

And: "there is no color" depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

My book uses a lot of illustrations for just this reason, as do the two short
"My Cat" stories. All at: http://frontal-lobe.info

Oh, come to think, that must be a forgery.

Mason C

Tue, 06 May 2008 17:24:41 -0700, /Mason C/:

On Tue, 6 May 2008 17:33:27 -0400, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
a.nony.mous (AT) example (DOT) invalid> wrote:
Mason C wrote:

And, obviously, it *was* unexpected or someone would have warned me
about it as a cause of my problem.

Someone might have, if you had posted the requested screenshot.

Oh, ok. I am learning. This is the age of Television. No longer the age of
Radio and Reading. Seriously, I do some writing and this is not trivial.

Simply stating "there is no color" is not enough.
[...]

You could have at least answered my first question I've posted in
another reply: "Do you observe the 'missing' colors only on that
page of yours using those browsers?" Also, you've repeated "no *bg*
colors" quite a few times which initially led me to think you see
your customized text colors, just not the background ones.

--
Stanimir

The spirit of this group amazes me. Anger. Attacking trivia.
What's going on? This would be a place for a psychologist to study.

This group (and *.stylesheets) are worthwhile to browse and search through
previously answered posts, but that's it. It's not a place to ask
questions. You'll receive more commentary about your posting style
(particularly quoting styles, as you noted) and your failure to account for
the entire Earth's population before one of the helpful posters comes
around. There are far better and efficient places to ask questions.

That said, it's still worth it to scan the threads now and then to pick up
some tidbits - and perhaps laugh at the absurd flame wars that just keep
coming around here.

Just bear in mind that responses are almost entirely geared towards
accessiblity with issues such as development time, target audience, design
aesthetics, etc. all trivial in comparison. As such, for private ventures,
the advice often fails the "real world" test. Think "academia": there's a
wealth of knowledge (and arrogance) but chances are you'll need to tweak
what you read/learn to make it useful in the real world. Don't take the
replies in here as gospel, despite the convictions of those posting.

steve wrote:

The spirit of this group amazes me. Anger. Attacking trivia.
What's going on? This would be a place for a psychologist to study.

This group (and *.stylesheets) are worthwhile to browse and search
through previously answered posts, but that's it. It's not a place to
ask questions.

It's a good place to test your Buddhist detachment from things that
don't matter. I find it most useful in that respect.

--
Steve Swift
http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html
http://www.ringers.org.uk

Scripsit steve:

This group (and *.stylesheets) are worthwhile to browse and search
through previously answered posts, but that's it.

And you need to be able to recognize useful content from crap (which
sometimes _looks_ useful).

A poster's name is usually informative. If it doesn't even look like
anyone's real full name, the odds are that nothing in the message is
real.

It's not a place to ask questions.

Unless, of course, you wish to ask well, by the netiquette, which
includes informativeness and answering any clarifying questions.

Moreover, the odds are that if you have resisted any temptation to read
tutorials and FAQs, you will just get more confused. In this group, you
just learn that faster than elsewhere.

--
Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/