BGCOLOR only in Opera, not other browsers (valid page)

On Sun, 4 May 2008 23:41:11 -0700 (PDT), Patricia Aldoraz
<patricia.aldoraz (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

On May 5, 4:20 pm, Mason C <masonc... (AT) XXXfrontal-lobe (DOT) info> wrote:
On Mon, 05 May 2008 05:34:20 GMT, rf <r...@x.invalid> wrote:
Mason C <masonc... (AT) XXXfrontal-lobe (DOT) info> wrote in
news:t66t14d69q1us7k3g3t4obec7d49f5fe0q (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:

On Mon, 05 May 2008 08:53:54 +1000, dorayme
doraymeRidT... (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

In article <piiq141v482e34vauqbf89btkqb91qv... (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
Mason C <masonc... (AT) XXXfrontal-lobe (DOT) info> wrote:

The question was:

The colors show ok in Opera but not in MSIE or Firefox. Why?

I'm beginning to suspect I'm asking in the wrong group.

The background colours are identical in Opera, Firefox, IE6, IE7, Seamonky
and FWIW Netsacpe and IE5.5. They are a blue background, a table with a
white cell, a pink one, a blueish white one, a plale blue one and a darker
pale blue one. The sole exception is that the empty white cell collapses in
IE browsers.

I'm beginning to suspect that you are not reading the replies to your
posts.

What am I not reading? But thanks for your observations.
Let me add more tests on my PC computer:

Safari (PC) displays the colors.
Opera ok
Netscape Communicator displays correctly except the "white" bar at the
top shows body color.

MS IE 6 and 7 show no colors and top white cell is missing
Firefox shows no colors.

The page passes WDG validation. Why does my computer do this
on Firefox and IE 6 and 7 (freshly installed 7) ? (Popular browsers.)

What am I not reading? Am I missing some replies?

I have 2 from Jukka
1 from Neil
1 from dorayme
1from rf

I'm sensing anger and annoyance from what seems to me
a simple question. I suspect the answer is *not* simple and
probably needs response from a browser program expert, not an
html expert. I'll seek elsewhere.

( I also suspect that WDG validation is of doubtful significance.)

Anyway, thanks for your time if not your tender loving care.

Mason C

As far as I can see, you were advised to put in a &nbsp; into the
empty cell (by Jukka Korpela) to stop the collapse mentioned clearly
by rf. If this is not what is wanted why don't you say something about
it and something very specific?

Oh, for God's sake. Yes, I needed something, an &nbsp; in the top cell.

That has NOTHING to do with my question.

It is incomprehensible to me why this question cannot be understood.
I am now certain I'm posting it in the wrong group.

On my computer:
My page has *bgcolors* in the body and in the <td> cells.
On MS IE 6 and 7 colors are not displayed.

On my computer:
My page has *bgcolors* in the body and in the <td> cells.
On MS IE 6 and 7 colors are not displayed.

On my computer:
My page has *bgcolors* in the body and in the <td> cells.
On MS IE 6 and 7 colors are not displayed.

Screw anything else wrong with the page. (*%$^&@Q&^(*

Mason C

Mon, 05 May 2008 00:07:17 -0700, /Mason C/:

On my computer:
My page has *bgcolors* in the body and in the <td> cells.
On MS IE 6 and 7 colors are not displayed.

Oh, man. I got sick of reading over and over people telling you
they see the colors all right in IE 6 and Firefox on their computers
- just check your configuration. Do you observe the "missing"
colors only on that page of yours using those browsers? Have you by
accident played with those browsers' accessibility features
regarding colors? Check these options:

IE 6:
Tools -> Internet Options... General: Accessibility...
[ ] Ignore colors specified on Web pages

Firefox:
Tools -> Options... Content: Colors...
[x] Allow pages to choose their own colors, instead of my selections
above

--
Stanimir

Mason C <masoncXXX (AT) XXXfrontal-lobe (DOT) info> wrote in
news:f4ct14h0f0utrujqgv7ljku0lqg9rbf15o (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:

Oh, for God's sake. Yes, I needed something, an &nbsp; in the top
cell.

That has NOTHING to do with my question.

It is incomprehensible to me why this question cannot be understood.
I am now certain I'm posting it in the wrong group.

Nope. Just with the wrong mindset.

On my computer:
My page has *bgcolors* in the body and in the <td> cells.
On MS IE 6 and 7 colors are not displayed.

On my computer:
My page has *bgcolors* in the body and in the <td> cells.
On MS IE 6 and 7 colors are not displayed.

On my computer:
My page has *bgcolors* in the body and in the <td> cells.
On MS IE 6 and 7 colors are not displayed.

*On my computer*.

Mason, so far this thread has been: You see something wrong. The rest of
the world does *not* see something wrong.

To be completely specific, we do not actually *SEE* what you think is
wrong with the page.

Why don't you do something totally radical and provide us with a
screenshot of *your* computer doing these things, aledgedly, wrong?

As somebody else said: Check your settings. Show us a screenshot of the
dialog box where you have *not* told IE to ignore background colours set
by web authors.

So far none of us has jack shit to go on.

Screw anything else wrong with the page. (*%$^&@Q&^(*

To be very polite, it's getting very near the time when I, at least, will
say: Screw you.

--
Richard
Killing all google groups posts
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org

On my computer:
My page has *bgcolors* in the body and in the <td> cells.
On MS IE 6 and 7 colors are not displayed.

*On my computer*.

Mason, so far this thread has been: You see something wrong. The rest of
the world does *not* see something wrong.

To be completely specific, we do not actually *SEE* what you think is
wrong with the page.

I have now by mystic mind reading gathered that and realize that the
problem is not in the pages. After so many digressive and abusive
responses.

Why don't you do something totally radical and provide us with a
screenshot of *your* computer doing these things, aledgedly, wrong?

As somebody else said: Check your settings. Show us a screenshot of the
dialog box where you have *not* told IE to ignore background colours set
by web authors.

So far none of us has jack shit to go on.

Screw anything else wrong with the page. (*%$^&@Q&^(*

To be very polite, it's getting very near the time when I, at least, will
say: Screw you.

I did it first. Ya Ya Ya

Well, now we're getting somewhere. Too bad it took so long.

It is certainly something in my computer, not the web pages.

First, please just believe me when I say "no bg colors" -- that
means *no bg colors* that means a white screen with text.
A "picture" shouldn't be necessary if people had read what I posted..

Yes, first thing I checked was accessibility settings for author colors.
But that is the first good suggestion I've seen here.

My post is in the wrong group. I have now posted in the browser group.

Bye bye you nice people.

Mason C

Mason C wrote:

The question was:

The colors show ok in Opera but not in MSIE or Firefox. Why?

I'm beginning to suspect I'm asking in the wrong group.

Well, since you won't tell us which colours don't show for you I decided
to try guessing. The page appears essentially the same for me in Opera,
Firefox, IE6, Safari and IE8 (Beta). If you see a significant difference
you should go see an optician. They'll have a sign in the window saying
"If you can't see what you want, you've come to the right place".

The only difference is that IE6 and IE8 chose to show no row at all
where you had no content. That's reasonable. If you want to force the
"white" row at the top in IE, then add at least <BR> or &nbsp; to your cell.

--
Steve Swift
http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html
http://www.ringers.org.uk

On Mon, 05 May 2008 19:25:55 +0100, Steve Swift <Steve.J.Swift (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Mason C wrote:
The question was:

The colors show ok in Opera but not in MSIE or Firefox. Why?

I'm beginning to suspect I'm asking in the wrong group.

Well, since you won't tell us which colours don't show for you

I assumed that an "authoring.html" group would know what was meant
by "bgcolor" and by "no color" and by "white"

But I've found the problem and will post it here and now....

I decided
to try guessing. The page appears essentially the same for me in Opera,
Firefox, IE6, Safari and IE8 (Beta). If you see a significant difference
you should go see an optician. They'll have a sign in the window saying
"If you can't see what you want, you've come to the right place".

The only difference is that IE6 and IE8 chose to show no row at all
where you had no content. That's reasonable. If you want to force the
"white" row at the top in IE, then add at least <BR> or &nbsp; to your cell.

OK, it's time to call everyone together and reveal that the butler did it.

In Windows XP: Control Panel -- Accessibility Options -- [X] Use High Contrast

It was checked in Chapter One, long ago, and we all missed it.

I *always* use a good browser, Opera, which ignores that WinXP option.

Only when I tested on my computer with other browsers did I have
the problem.

The browsers and html were not guilty. The butler did it.

I'm sorry if this detective story wasn't fun for you. Nor for me.

Mason C

P.S. I only found it because my new printer talked Turkish to me and
I had to go find the Turk in my Control Panel and stumbled on the culprit.

In article <f4ct14h0f0utrujqgv7ljku0lqg9rbf15o (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
Mason C <masoncXXX (AT) XXXfrontal-lobe (DOT) info> wrote:

As far as I can see, you were advised to put in a &nbsp; into the
empty cell (by Jukka Korpela) to stop the collapse mentioned clearly
by rf. If this is not what is wanted why don't you say something about
it and something very specific?

Oh, for God's sake. Yes, I needed something, an &nbsp; in the top cell.

That has NOTHING to do with my question.

It is incomprehensible to me why this question cannot be understood.
I am now certain I'm posting it in the wrong group.

On my computer:
My page has *bgcolors* in the body and in the <td> cells.
On MS IE 6 and 7 colors are not displayed.

Except that many of us *are* seeing colours where you are not. Swapping
groups will not help. There is no special mysterious colour css
behaviour in this group. We are just your average colourful acrimonious
lot.

You started by saying the colours did not show in MSIE or FF. But they
did show to others. I have not seen a specific and really relevant reply
to rf's:

"The background colours are identical in Opera, Firefox, IE6, IE7,
Seamonky and FWIW Netsacpe and IE5.5. They are a blue background, a
table with a white cell, a pink one, a blueish white one, a plale blue
one and a darker pale blue one. The sole exception is that the empty
white cell collapses in IE browsers."

Like, for example, a screenshot.

--
dorayme

On Mon, 05 May 2008 18:55:38 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art (AT) central (DOT) net>
wrote:

I'll snip the long post -- it can be read in the original post.

I asked a simple question. Later realized that the nature of the problem
belonged in a browser group, not in an html group. My error. It turned
out to belong in a Windows XP group -- I never imagined that.

I asked a simple question and got all sorts of abuse for things about
my example page that had *nothing* to do with the question.

The simple "no color" statement seemed never to be understood.
I am at a loss to understand this. I should post a picture of *no color* ?

All that said, I do appreciate Jonathan's demonstration
of a modern code for the example page.

Believe it or not I do know something about css and use a .css file on my
web site. Most of the site long predates css and even has some ascii graphics
to conserve download time (!) I do not have time to translate all of it to
this century.

I will be updating and burying much of it if time permits.

I hope never again to have a *simple* question.

Let all my problems be BIG problems.

Thanks you all and bye bye.

Mason C

no color no color no color sheeeeez !

Scripsit Mason C:

On Mon, 05 May 2008 18:55:38 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little"
lws4art (AT) central (DOT) net> wrote:

I'll snip the long post -- it can be read in the original post.

That's a foolish quotation - an attribution of nothing. If you don't
like to play by Usenet rules, please go away.

I asked a simple question.

In the most confusing way.

I asked a simple question and got all sorts of abuse for things about
my example page that had *nothing* to do with the question.

Get real. This is a discussion forum, not a helpdesk. You post
something, we discuss its implications. If it happens to answer a
question you asked or you had in your mind, that's coincidental.

Besides, the page you posted needs a rewrite, not fixing, especially
since the thing you saw as a problem was just a browser configuration
problem (as you would have learned very fast if you had described the
problem properly).

The simple "no color" statement seemed never to be understood.
I am at a loss to understand this. I should post a picture of *no
color* ?

No, just a URL of such an image. You did not actually see "no color",
any more than you can see the air as such. You probably saw white or
some shade of gray; they're colors. But this was just a tiny part of the
confusion you created.

All that said, I do appreciate Jonathan's demonstration
of a modern code for the example page.

Well, it was wrong in a couple of ways, and off-topic (CSS, not HTML),
so you had better start from a modern book on web authoring.

I hope never again to have a *simple* question.

There are no simple questions.

--
Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/