why the extra space before and after the ul in firefox 1.0 (ie6 renders right)?

I don't get it--I'm looking at both your pages in both browsers, and
in

each browser the colored blocks stay the same when I switch back and
forth between the two pages. Nothing moves. The only thing that happens

is that the buttons disappear and reappear. In other words, I don't see

what space it is that you say appears in one case but not in the other.

Again, I get this result in both IE6 and Firefox.<<

the top and bottom margins were fixed by styling the "ul" tag instead
of the "#hnav ul" tag.

the next problem was an inconsistent ul left-margin. that was resolved
by changing "#hnav ul" to "ul#hnav". some other formats were lost, but
that's likely due to conflicting style methods.

You don't need to cop out. It's a nuisance, but it's an art, and we
all

have to deal with it. As time goes on you'll develop an arsenal of
tricks that you'll apply without thinking much about it.<<

....and like all arts, it takes time to get into the flow... that's
what i'm learning. i'm working through data validation now... but i
have learned some good stuff that will benefit me - and hopefully
others - going foward.

you can sign me up for someone who wants browsers to adhere to
consistent standards, though! i'm sure that list is a long one...;-)

Something to keep in mind. You don't need to double post (as previously
asked). Also, minor updates like that are even less needing of a double
post.

Post 1: Thanks for the idea, I'll look into it.
Post 2: It worked. Yay!

That kind of stuff is useless.