Using top-level selectors

On 2008/04/24 13:50 (GMT-0500) Bergamot apparently typed:

Felix Miata wrote:

On 2008/04/24 10:23 (GMT-0500) Bergamot apparently typed:

Felix Miata wrote:

http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Clagnut/bbcnSS.html
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Clagnut/eonsSS.html

The huge screenshots in those pages make it quite difficult to figure
out what you're trying to say,

I invite you to explain how the image sizes make understanding the message to
be difficult.

How clear is your message if you aren't using a full size browser window?

The thought quite a while about the above question, and couldn't figure out
its meaning. I put it aside for a while, then came back and thought some
more, and still don't understand it.

Most of the time, my browser windows, when not full screen, are nevertheless
using at least 80% of the screen area. Right now, I have 3 puters booted, one
at 1280x960 (doz), one at 1400x1050 (OS/2), the third at 1856x1392 (Linux).
On all, each image requires considerably less than a full screen.

The first time I went to one of those pages, I didn't know what I was
looking at. More than 1/3 of it was off the right side of the screen and
I didn't bother scrolling over there. The text annotations don't really
stand out, at least not to me.

For 1/3 of those ~1160px wide pages' content to be off screen, your
resolution would have to be less than 800px wide. So assuming you are using
800x600, I can understand why you'd think the text annotations don't stand
out. The difference in your resolution and that of the images is so vast that
your default text size must be quite small in proportion to that on the
system from which the screenshots were taken. If you were to be using
quadruple that 800x600 resolution (1600x1200) while keeping your default size
the same physical size, you'd find the opposite situation to exist, default
size text on the originating system to be quite a bit smaller than your own,
making the annotations stand out quite strongly by comparison. I don't think
there are any really good ways to deal with that without adding a bunch of
whitespace, which is something I definitely do not want there.

I did restyle some to try to make the annotations stand out more on the bbc
page. What do you think? The originally styled page is now at
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Clagnut/bbcnSS1.html

Note that I'm not the only person who
expressed confusion at what those pages were trying to say.

The pictures are supposed to be worth "a thousand words", saying more than
any words I could come up with. If a visitor can't make a mental adjustment
based upon the images' browser icons or UI text, or can't make a physical
adjustment, distancing herself from her screen until the browser UI emulates
her own in size, I don't think there's anything more I could do. :-(
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Felix Miata wrote:

On 2008/04/24 13:50 (GMT-0500) Bergamot apparently typed:

The first time I went to one of those pages, I didn't know what I was
looking at. More than 1/3 of it was off the right side of the screen

For 1/3 of those ~1160px wide pages' content to be off screen, your
resolution would have to be less than 800px wide.

You confuse resolution with browser window size.

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Berg

On 2008/04/25 08:09 (GMT-0500) Bergamot apparently typed:

Felix Miata wrote:

On 2008/04/24 13:50 (GMT-0500) Bergamot apparently typed:

The first time I went to one of those pages, I didn't know what I was
looking at. More than 1/3 of it was off the right side of the screen

For 1/3 of those ~1160px wide pages' content to be off screen, your
resolution would have to be less than 800px wide.

You confuse resolution with browser window size.

On the contrary, you did not write "off the right side of the window"; you
wrote "off the right side of the screen". Your use of screen rather than
window caused me to believe you meant definition #6 on
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/screen (a more pointed meaning than
"monitor" or "display") and I responded accordingly.
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judges rewrite the constitution." Judge Robert Bork

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Felix Miata wrote:

On 2008/04/25 08:09 (GMT-0500) Bergamot apparently typed:
You confuse resolution with browser window size.

On the contrary,

Whatever. I'm bored with this whole subject now.

HAND

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Berg

On 2008/04/17 16:47 (GMT-0500) Bergamot apparently typed:

Felix Miata wrote:

Links to criticism of http://clagnut.com/blog/348/ need to be more widespread

I gave it a shot:
http://www.bergamotus.ws/rants/how-n...n-the-web.html

It appears that for post-1.8 Gecko users the minimum size compounding problem
will be history: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=434718

IOW, FF3 seems to behave like Safari.
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Felix Miata wrote:

On 2008/04/17 16:47 (GMT-0500) Bergamot apparently typed:

Felix Miata wrote:

Links to criticism of http://clagnut.com/blog/348/ need to be more widespread

I gave it a shot:
http://www.bergamotus.ws/rants/how-n...n-the-web.html

FF3 seems to behave like Safari.

Even if it does, that doesn't make clagnut a good practice. It's still a
ridiculous, convoluted and illogical way to set font sizes.

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On 2008/05/30 12:58 (GMT-0500) Bergamot apparently typed:

Felix Miata wrote:

FF3 seems to behave like Safari.

Even if it does, that doesn't make clagnut a good practice. It's still a
ridiculous, convoluted and illogical way to set font sizes.

Quite true. However, the problem is limited mainly to Opera users and the
idiot designers making their own jobs more complicated. Natural selection
should cull the number of those idiot desingers, eventually leading to the
takeover of sanity. Meanwhile, Opera is liable to see the light discovered by
Safari and Gecko.
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". . . . in everything, do to others what you would
have them do to you . . . ." Matthew 7:12 NIV

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