UK: HTML/CSS Training

In article <44256a5e.49029891 (AT) news (DOT) individual.net>,
Jim Ley <jim (AT) jibbering (DOT) com> wrote:

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 22:19:56 +0000 (UTC), axlq (AT) spamcop (DOT) net (axlq)
wrote:

But then I don't understand the appeal of internet messaging; typing
messages back and forth in real time seem such a time-wasting
inefficient way to communicate electronically. I mean, if you want
a real time conversation with me, pick up the damn phone and call
me. Those who need to converse in real time have my phone number.

I think you're missing the advantage of almost immediate non invasive
discussion, which is what instant messenging and sms are - they are
things you can do at the same time as other things, so they are not
invasive - I can contact you whilst you are also talking to other
people or ... which is not possible with invasive technologies like
phone calls.

The way you describe IM can also apply to email. That's my point.
A real-time discussion by keyboard is a collossal waste of time, as
I can attest every time I've been pulled into one. Never again!
Email is not invasive, it waits patiently for me to get around to
answering it, I can type email while talking to someone.

Furthermore, if I engage in a real-time conversation with someone, a
telephone is not invasive. *I* decide whether to pick up the phone
or redirect the call to voice mail. And if I do pick up the phone,
then the conversation is more productive and efficient because it
has captured my attention.

-A

In article <05ra22hmv88ft3004rvscd7q6lii1p58il (AT) news (DOT) markshouse.net>,
Mark Goodge <usenet (AT) listmail (DOT) good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:04:22 GMT, Jim Ley put finger to keyboard and
typed:

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:14:54 +0000, Mark Goodge
usenet (AT) listmail (DOT) good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:

The "killer app" for mobile phone browsing is directory services.
Yellow Pages, that kind of thing - the sort of thing you look for when
you're in a strange town, it's 1.00am and you need a taxi now. In
other words, it's all about information.

Except of course such a thing is very well solved by phoning someone,

But you need to know who to phone.

Directory assistance.

That's what a directory is for - it gives you things like phone numbers.

So does 411. And I get the number a lot quicker than if I used my phone
to get onto the internet and browse for someplace to call.

I pay for cell phone service to SAVE me time, not to consume more of it.

-A

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:16:14 +0000, Mark Goodge
<usenet (AT) listmail (DOT) good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:04:22 GMT, Jim Ley put finger to keyboard and
typed:

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:14:54 +0000, Mark Goodge
usenet (AT) listmail (DOT) good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:

The "killer app" for mobile phone browsing is directory services.
Yellow Pages, that kind of thing - the sort of thing you look for when
you're in a strange town, it's 1.00am and you need a taxi now. In
other words, it's all about information.

Except of course such a thing is very well solved by phoning someone,

But you need to know who to phone.

Directory Enquiries.... they'll put you straight through, I imagine
you've seen the adverts on the TV in the UK...

Jim.
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On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:22:56 +0000 (UTC), axlq (AT) spamcop (DOT) net (axlq)
wrote:

The way you describe IM can also apply to email.

Not at all, they're very different delivery speeds, and archival
nature etc. etc. they're different mediums of communication.

That's my point.
A real-time discussion by keyboard is a collossal waste of time, as
I can attest every time I've been pulled into one.

How odd, it wastes nearly no time for me - as I say it's something you
do concurrently with other things.

Furthermore, if I engage in a real-time conversation with someone, a
telephone is not invasive. *I* decide whether to pick up the phone
or redirect the call to voice mail.

A phone ringing is not invasive? I think you're in a minority there.
Unlike with instant messenging, you also do not know the nature of the
reason for interuption until after you've picked up, with IM you do.

Jim.
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In article <vmsa22tspdo2siointct4q0j85juft2qf3 (AT) news (DOT) markshouse.net>,
Mark Goodge <usenet (AT) listmail (DOT) good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:

So does 411. And I get the number a lot quicker than if I used my phone
to get onto the internet and browse for someplace to call.

That's your choice. But if you were in a foreign country, who would
you call?

Every time I'm in a foreign country, my hotel concierge has always
done the job pretty well.

And my phone won't work in foreign countries anyway, so the issue of
browsing-by-phone is irrelevant in my case.

-A

In article <2psa221ujbogjeoea4f9ba3s8jo8q9v2vg (AT) news (DOT) markshouse.net>,
Mark Goodge <usenet (AT) listmail (DOT) good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:

don't see the attraction to mobile phone web browsing.

The fact that you don't see it doesn't mean others don't use it.

Good point.

Personally, I don't use mobile phone browsing either. But the reality
is that it's an increasing market, and directory services are the
biggest beneficiaries.

I won't disagree there. Different strokes for different folks.

-A

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:42:56 +0000, Mark Goodge
<usenet (AT) listmail (DOT) good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:25:43 +0000 (UTC), axlq put finger to keyboard
and typed:
Directory assistance.

That's what a directory is for - it gives you things like phone numbers.

So does 411. And I get the number a lot quicker than if I used my phone
to get onto the internet and browse for someplace to call.

That's your choice. But if you were in a foreign country, who would
you call?

Normally the number in the SMS advising me of the country's
information number, when I first connect to the network.

And a lot of people prefer to pick from a list they can see
rather than have a list read to them over the phone.

hang on, so your killer application for mobile web, is "you're in a
foreign country, it's 1am and you want a taxi" - right so you need to
speak the local language and know the words for taxi, you need to find
a search engine that gets you to a directory service for your country,
and you need to get to the local phone numbers - potentially all in a
language you don't understand, and maybe even with font support
unavailable in your non-local phone.

All of this is also costing you 10s of pounds per megabyte - despite
the fact you could've just prepared by getting a taxi number earlier
in the day, or just ask a passerby.

sorry, it ain't much of a use case you've got there.

Jim.
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Gazing into my crystal ball I observed axlq (AT) spamcop (DOT) net (axlq) writing in
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In article <vmsa22tspdo2siointct4q0j85juft2qf3 (AT) news (DOT) markshouse.net>,
Mark Goodge <usenet (AT) listmail (DOT) good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
So does 411. And I get the number a lot quicker than if I used my phone
to get onto the internet and browse for someplace to call.

That's your choice. But if you were in a foreign country, who would you
call?

Every time I'm in a foreign country, my hotel concierge has always
done the job pretty well.

And my phone won't work in foreign countries anyway, so the issue of
browsing-by-phone is irrelevant in my case.

-A

I think the taxi might have been a bad example. Let's say you're in a city
in your own country, and you're in a motel or somewhere that doesn't have a
concierge, and you need to find a pharmacy that's open 24 hours because you
ran out of your medication. That is a situation where someone (a desk
person) might know the name of a pharmacy near by, but would not have other
information, and might not know the names of other pharmacies near by.

That would be an example of where a web based directory would really come
in handy. 411 operators really don't have time to look things up unless
you know the name of the place and possibly and address.

--
Adrienne Boswell
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On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:31:59 +0000, Mark Goodge
<usenet (AT) listmail (DOT) good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:

The other point is that you and I are probably a bit old for it. For
teenagers, who use their phones more for texting than they do for
talking, mobile web browsing is the obvious next step.

Mark

Pornography on a 1 inch square screen? Not even 14 year olds are going
to get off on that!

Matt