Re: font-family CSS property with IE6?

This is a CSS question - might I suggest in future to redirect
the thread at an earlier stage when this happens? ta.
x-posted and f'ups proposed...

On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Andreas Prilop wrote:

On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Zenobia wrote:

font-family: Shruti, "Trebuchet MS", Verdana, Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;

Shruti is a Gujarati font and does not contain ASCII glyphs.

I'd never heard of it before, but a google search led me to a
collection of (allegedly) free fonts at computingbydsn, and I've
just tried installing it to see. MS Font Property Extensions
says the only supported Unicode range(s) is Gujarati, but Listfont
appears to show lots of stuff including Latin-1, Greek, Cyrillic and
so on - is this some artefact of font handling or what?

What are you going to achieve?

Presumably, it's meant to achieve what's described at
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/fonts....nt-family-prop

To deal with the problem that a single font may not contain glyphs to
display all the characters in a document, [...]
this property allows authors to specify a
list of fonts, all of the same style and size, that are tried in
sequence to see if they contain a glyph for a certain character. This
list is called a font set.

So, according to the CSS specification, this is /supposed/ to take
from Shruti whatever characters it contains, and for characters which
it does not contain, to use one of the fonts named later in the list.

How well supported that is across the available browsers is a topic
that has been discussed, at least in general terms, on a number of
previous occasions, with somewhat mixed conclusions. Don't you think
it'll work - in general - or in this case specifically?

If the original poster would provide a demonstration URL, then we
might make some progress (hint).

Incidentally, if I ask IE to configure a default font for Gujarati,
the only options it offers me are Arial Unicode MS, Code2000 (which I
installed for purely experimental reasons) and (now) Shruti. (Oh, and
for a monospaced font I get no choices whatever).

Of course the usual caveats about Verdana have to be repeated.[1]

FONT-SIZE: 13px;

Don't do that!

Agreed! With knobs on!!

[1] See e.g http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/verdana.html

On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Alan J. Flavell wrote:

Shruti is a Gujarati font and does not contain ASCII glyphs.

I'd never heard of it before,

It comes with Windows XP.

How well supported that is across the available browsers is a topic
that has been discussed, at least in general terms, on a number of
previous occasions, with somewhat mixed conclusions. Don't you think
it'll work - in general - or in this case specifically?

We need to do some tests. ;-)
<http://www.unics.uni-hannover.de/nhtcapri/temp/typeface.html>
at the bottom. Take a serif typeface as your default typeface.

Incidentally, if I ask IE to configure a default font for Gujarati,
the only options it offers me are Arial Unicode MS, Code2000 (which I
installed for purely experimental reasons) and (now) Shruti.

If you have Windows 2000, you can take the Devanagri font Mangal
for tests. It does not contain ASCII letters.

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