Re: Awesome use of CSS

#11

In article <87vfthzt60.fsf (AT) dinopsis (DOT) dur.ac.uk>,
Chris Morris <c.i.morris (AT) durham (DOT) ac.uk> wrote:

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'nuther Bob <yetanotherphonyaddress (AT) noplacereally (DOT) com> writes:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:09:29 +0200, Jeroen Sangers
That's exactly why I always use <body id="sitename'> in my sites, so
users can always use their user stylesheet to change my style (I am not
_that_ good in making sites...

Does anyone actually expect a significant number of users to do this
to a web site ?

Unlikely, for most values of significant. That said, I wouldn't mind
a web browser that let me set up *which* user stylesheet to apply on a
site-by-site basis.

It has the rather shady advantage of when you cannot figure out (or are
too lazy) why some CSS rule you made is being ignored;

#sitename [insert rest of your selector here] { .. }

Will often gain full power over any rule you wrote. (and still not
override user styles in todays browsers)

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#12

'nuther Bob wrote:

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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:09:29 +0200, Jeroen Sangers
That's exactly why I always use <body id="sitename'> in my sites, so
users can always use their user stylesheet to change my style (I am not
_that_ good in making sites...

Does anyone actually expect a significant number of users to do this
to a web site ?

Perhaps in a controlled, speced, corporate environment... not on the
web.

Nobody can expect a significant number of users using user style sheets,
since only a small group of people have the knowledge to write CSS.
Therefore, user stylesheets won't be used a lot. But this does not mean
that you should ignore them. Adding an ID to the body tag is a very
small effort, and might come out handy for this small group.

Kind regards,

Jeroen

#13

On Sat, Aug 2, Jeroen Sangers inscribed on the eternal scroll:

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Nobody can expect a significant number of users using user style sheets,

Define "significant". If just one reader is prevented from getting
access that they'd otherwise be able to use, that's one too many for
me.

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since only a small group of people have the knowledge to write CSS.

Irrelevant. One would expect people with various impairments to
acquire purpose-designed stylesheets e.g from their interest groups.

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Therefore, user stylesheets won't be used a lot.

AFAIR, Opera comes with a sample user stylesheet. All that one needs
to do is to click a button to turn it on. No CSS knowledge required.

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But this does not mean that you should ignore them.

Well, at least you got that right.

all the best

#14

In article <Pine.LNX.4.53.0308021359510.30967 (AT) lxplus067 (DOT) cern.ch>, Alan J.
Flavell wrote:

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On Sat, Aug 2, Jeroen Sangers inscribed on the eternal scroll:

Nobody can expect a significant number of users using user style sheets,

Define "significant". If just one reader is prevented from getting
access that they'd otherwise be able to use, that's one too many for
me.

And after CSS based layouts will become more usual, user CSS will be
pretty easy to make by page. It is much harder to fix table based pages
using userstyle. The irony is that with CSS layouted pages is that if you
don't have body id, the HTML is pretty simple, and applying userstyle for
just that site using current browsers becomes pretty hard.

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since only a small group of people have the knowledge to write CSS.

Irrelevant. One would expect people with various impairments to
acquire purpose-designed stylesheets e.g from their interest groups.

Yes, and I have already made public some CSS that fixes layout of an
Finnish bank I used before I moved to one with better web bank. And
someone else even uses it.

For those the body id would be really necessary, since it is tricky
business to ensure that stylesheet only aplies to that one page. I had to
leave out some changes, because bank didn't use body id and I was unable
to find selectors that would be pretty unique for that site.

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Therefore, user stylesheets won't be used a lot.

Of course not, at least not untill decent support in browsers. But reason
is that it takes some time to fix a site using userstyle, and it is not
usually worth efforth. OTOH, whan it is, it usually is necessary (by some
definition on necessary)

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AFAIR, Opera comes with a sample user stylesheet. All that one needs
to do is to click a button to turn it on. No CSS knowledge required.

But those are different, they apply to all sites. So they don't actually
don't need that ID. Unless you wish to only use them for some specifik
sites with specifick IDs, which again requires editing CSS files.

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But this does not mean that you should ignore them.

No, and I'm pretty sure that after some browser gets good support for
userstyles, there will be lots of fixes for popular webpages available as
CSS snippets.

Some unfinished thoughts here:
http://www.student.oulu.fi/~laurirai...ss/userstyles/

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#15

There is circumstantial evidence that on 17 Jul 2003 23:23:31 GMT,
"J.B. Nicholson-Owens" <jbn (AT) forestfield (DOT) org> wrote
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› > http://exp.hicksdesign.co.uk/
›
› This is not bad. It would be better if it collapsed more horizontally. The
› minimum width for the page seems needlessly wide.
›

This looks a right mess in Opera 6.01

My site www.washerhelp,com is pure CSS no tables design, it looks
attractive to me
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