Font. Can this be used?

Hello,

Can and should the font Calibri be used in web sites?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calibri

Thanks,
Miguel

shapper wrote:

Hello,

Can and should the font Calibri be used in web sites?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calibri

Well, the article you cite should give you a clue.

"Calibri is one of six new western (Latin, Greek and Cyrillic) ClearType
Collection typefaces that come with Microsoft Windows Vista."

So, if you use it on your Web site what are you going to do about
everyone who does NOT have Vista? Meaning /most/ people.

If you choose to use it make sure you specify alternate fonts in your
CSS as a fallback, e.g.:

font-family: Calibri, "Trebuchet MS", Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Sans-Serif;

Not claiming that's the best set of alternatives but it's a safe one.

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On 2007/12/02 18:04 (GMT-0800) shapper apparently typed:

Can

Of course

and should the font Calibri be used in web sites?

Used for what? Body text? Heading text? Menu text? Form text? Footer text? In
any event, it "should" be used no more or less than any other Microsoft font
"should" be used. You know you have the option to permit visitors to see the
font they prefer, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calibri
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On 2007/12/02 21:34 (GMT-0500) Ed Mullen apparently typed:

shapper wrote:

Can and should the font Calibri be used in web sites?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calibri

Well, the article you cite should give you a clue.

"Calibri is one of six new western (Latin, Greek and Cyrillic) ClearType
Collection typefaces that come with Microsoft Windows Vista."

So, if you use it on your Web site what are you going to do about
everyone who does NOT have Vista? Meaning /most/ people.

Let them see (horror of horrors) the font they prefer instead of the usual bore?

If you choose to use it make sure you specify alternate fonts in your
CSS as a fallback, e.g.:

font-family: Calibri, "Trebuchet MS", Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Sans-Serif;

Among that list, Calibri is the significantly smaller in apparent size at any
given nominal size: http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/Font/fonts-msvista

In the future, that problem may be reduced (current browser support is
minimal): http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-fonts/#font-size-props

Not claiming that's the best set of alternatives but it's a safe one.

Better yet: 'font-family: Calibri, sans-serif'.
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Felix Miata wrote:

You know you have the option to permit visitors to see the font they
prefer, right?

About 99% of the screen shots I see (and as a web developer in my
company I see plenty) the text is in the default "Times New Roman" font.

Amongst the people I know who know how to change their browser default
fonts, about 1% chose Times New Roman.

So I would suggest that most people don't know how to exercise that right.

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On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:10:50 +0100, Steve Swift <Steve.J.Swift (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

Felix Miata wrote:
You know you have the option to permit visitors to see the font they
prefer, right?

About 99% of the screen shots I see (and as a web developer in my
company I see plenty) the text is in the default "Times New Roman" font.

Amongst the people I know who know how to change their browser default
fonts, about 1% chose Times New Roman.

So I would suggest that most people don't know how to exercise that
right.

I always learned 'sans-serif for the web, serif for print' (with a few
exceptions offcourse).
--
Rik Wasmus

Rik Wasmus wrote:

I always learned 'sans-serif for the web, serif for print'

That was primarily because of the quality of display devices, or lack
thereof. Serif fonts don't look very good at lower resolutions with
little or no anti-aliasing. Sans serif fonts are generally more readable
on those. The quality of display devices has improved greatly, however,
at least for desktop PC's. I can't say how serif fonts look on the
average mobile device, but they are just as readable as sans serif on
most desktops these days.

--
Berg

On 2007/12/04 06:10 (GMT) Steve Swift apparently typed:

Felix Miata wrote:

You know you have the option to permit visitors to see the font they
prefer, right?

About 99% of the screen shots I see (and as a web developer in my
company I see plenty) the text is in the default "Times New Roman" font.

Considering how infrequently I see a modern web site fail to suggest fonts
other than the visitors' defaults, I would suggest the screenshots to which
you refer are taken by a very special subset that isn't representative of
what most of the planet sees.

Amongst the people I know who know how to change their browser default
fonts, about 1% chose Times New Roman.

Published studies that I have read on the web suggest considerably more than
1% of average web users like Times*, as long as it's big enough (12pt).

So I would suggest that most people don't know how to exercise that right.

And this is justification to prevent those who do from benefitting from
taking action on their knowledge, or those who don't but do like Times*? I'll
bet I'm not the only one who at comfortable reading sizes would rather see it
than Verdana.

Oh, and Times New Roman is not always the default browser default. Times New
Roman isn't installed by default on any modern Linux distro I've ever used
(e.g. none of Fedora, OpenSUSE, *ubuntu, or Mandriva). Konqueror, the
KDE/KHTML browser, uses "Sans Serif" as its default, the default font for the
entire KDE desktop.
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Tue, 04 Dec 2007 06:10:50 +0000 from Steve Swift
<Steve.J.Swift (AT) gmail (DOT) com>:

Felix Miata wrote:
You know you have the option to permit visitors to see the font they
prefer, right?

About 99% of the screen shots I see (and as a web developer in my
company I see plenty) the text is in the default "Times New Roman" font.

Amongst the people I know who know how to change their browser default
fonts, about 1% chose Times New Roman.

So I would suggest that most people don't know how to exercise that right.

Steve, that's not logic.

People who are satisfied with the default have no reason to change
it. People who *do* change it are by definition dissatisfied, but
that doesn't tell you anything about the thinking of those who don't
change it.

If someone doesn't change it, you have no way to know whether they
are satisfied, or dissatisfied but can't figure out how to change.

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