menu issues again!

Hello firends,
You have been so kind as to guide this newby CSS "designer" and to
convince me not to use a javascript horizontal menu. So I have created
a CSS menu and it looks pretty and works in all of the browsers I
check...opera, firefox, ie7, safari. But! Not so lucky of course with
IE 6.

Would anyone like to take a stab at why this menu is busting out of it's
seams in IE6 and not expanding for the second level options?

You may find it at

http://www.rachaelshapirotherapy.com

Thank you to all of you for your help and comments on how best to put
things together. Although it is a large learning curve, the lessons
learned save time in the long run.

Anyone's advice is appreciated. Be gentle!

In article
<zZudnV5twZdKYWXanZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@fingerlakestechn ologygroup>,
BMc <bethpi11 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Hello firends,
You have been so kind as to guide this newby CSS "designer" and to
convince me not to use a javascript horizontal menu. So I have created
a CSS menu and it looks pretty and works in all of the browsers I
check...opera, firefox, ie7, safari. But! Not so lucky of course with
IE 6.

Would anyone like to take a stab at why this menu is busting out of it's
seams in IE6 and not expanding for the second level options?

You may find it at

http://www.rachaelshapirotherapy.com

Thank you to all of you for your help and comments on how best to put
things together. Although it is a large learning curve, the lessons
learned save time in the long run.

Anyone's advice is appreciated. Be gentle!

First, fix up:

http://www.rachaelshapirotherapy.com/
HTML error (19/59): Illegal character ³/² in tag.
HTML error (98/9): Can¹t find start tag for end tag </UL>. Maybe the tag
was implicitly closed before.
HTML error (99/8): Nesting of tag <H3> is not allowed.
HTML error (100/130): The tag <BR> is not allowed here.
HTML error (101/78): The tag <BR> is not allowed here.
HTML error (105/13): Illegal character ³/² in tag.
HTML error (117/6): Illegal character ³/² in tag.

(while waiting for someone to look in IE6 and worry about it <g>

And there is trouble with your utf-8 file, it is damaged in some way.
Open up a known good html doc page that passes all validation and copy
your actual content text etc into it and save a fresh copy.

I have not got my winbox on at the moment and it is 4 am here and it is
too creepy to be looking at IE 6 at this time of the night. But here are
my thoughts:

Your dropdowns are not worth the bother, you can simply put the sub
menus on the pages that the main links go to and not a single soul on
the planet will be inconvenienced in this case.

But... (here is gentle, Rachel)... perhaps leave it if you like it
pretty and think it cool but hide the dropdown features from IE 6 by
making a special css sheet for it. Make sure folk can see the
alternatives on the destination page.

--
dorayme

In article
<zZudnV5twZdKYWXanZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@fingerlakestechn ologygroup>,
BMc <bethpi11 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

And I forgot to add, the order in which you place the conditional for
IE6 eyes only in the head, is important. You want the stuff to over-ride
the linked css sheet so put it *below* the linked css instruction. That
is, if you follow my advice in previous at all. <g>

btw, your pages look nice. But there are issues as always, don't worry.
Your font-size: 75%; and other sizes are too small!

--
dorayme

Dear Beauregard:

RE:

3. The CSS for: "menu" isn't. Needs to be: "#menu"
my question: (Where are you speaking of?)
4. Why fixed width? Let it flow.Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
my question: again, Where? On the whole body of the page? Or just the
menu?

I'm just about ready to throw in the towel....or cry. I hate IE6.
Also, The way I have the fonts set up with percentages, per your prior
suggestion, it looks great on my screen on both a wide screen monitor
and a 14 inch laptop and on a widescreen mac in four different
browsers...just not IE6.

She likes the Times Roman...I agree, it's ugly.

Thank you for your help.

BMc wrote:

Hello firends,
You have been so kind as to guide this newby CSS "designer" ...
http://www.rachaelshapirotherapy.com

Anyone's advice is appreciated. Be gentle!

Okay...

1. http://k75s.home.att.net/fontsize.html
2. "New Times Roman" isn't. (and "Times New Roman" is uugly)
3. The CSS for: "menu" isn't. Needs to be: "#menu"
4. Why fixed width? Let it flow.
5. "Helfpful Links"
6. Justified text is hard to read. Use normal ragged-right.
7. Using proper HTML 4.01 Strict, but there is lots of " />" stuck in
there, and those are incorrect. The validators will tell you:
http://validator.w3.org/
http://jigsaw.w3.org/

(The CSS validator doesn't seem to pick up that you're using the above
"menu" instead of "#menu"

and did I mention, http://k75s.home.att.net/fontsize.html

BMc wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
BMc wrote:

http://www.rachaelshapirotherapy.com

2. "New Times Roman" isn't. (and "Times New Roman" is uugly)

She likes the Times Roman...I agree, it's ugly.

The Times font isn't so much an issue as using too many different fonts
on the page. One rule even uses:

font-family:"Trebuchet MS", Ariel, Times, serif;

This is a strange mixture of fonts.

Please, learn the difference between serif and sans serif fonts, as well
as correct font names, and get some consistency going. You'll have much
better results if you do.

--
Berg

okay...now you're just being mean to the new kid on the playground.


Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Bergamot wrote:

BMc wrote:
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
BMc wrote:
http://www.rachaelshapirotherapy.com
2. "New Times Roman" isn't. (and "Times New Roman" is uugly)
She likes the Times Roman...I agree, it's ugly.
The Times font isn't so much an issue as using too many different
fonts on the page. One rule even uses:

font-family:"Trebuchet MS", Ariel, Times, serif;

Ooh. "Ariel" <g> I missed that one.

It is a common misspelling. I saw "Aerial" once...

This is a strange mixture of fonts.

Second the motion. Such as:
font:85% Arial, "New Times Roman", sans-serif; :-)

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

BMc wrote:

okay...now you're just being mean to the new kid on the playground.

Mean? :-) No...

But you did ask for help,
"Anyone's advice is appreciated. Be gentle!"
and while possibly concise, I was anything but 'rough'.

Are you planning on repairing any of the errors pointed out so far?

Yes, and I will be replacing the menu with just an inline menu with no

drop down and the options for links will be in the document layout
instead. I am also going to experiment with sizing it with percentages
instead. I want it to be centered and I really don't want to redo the
graphics at this point... so I'm not sure what I will do with the
layout. I will look over the fonts again as well.

I'm pretty tough and I really do appreciate all of the advice. I will
take and use what I can and leave the rest for the next site I work on.
Every day is a learning process.

No, I'm not in Ithaca but just outside. (of Ithaca...not your house!
That would be creepy, huh? :-)

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

BMc wrote:

No, I'm not in Ithaca but just outside.

You're two lakes over... I'm in Canandaigua.

Hey - I grew up near Cayuga Lake.

--
Berg

In article <65vsppF2hlqi1U1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net>,
Bergamot <bergamot (AT) visi (DOT) com> wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
BMc wrote:

No, I'm not in Ithaca but just outside.

You're two lakes over... I'm in Canandaigua.

Hey - I grew up near Cayuga Lake.

Blinky spent part of his childhood *in* that lake.

--
dorayme

Bergamot <bergamot (AT) visi (DOT) com> wrote in news:65vsppF2hlqi1U1
@mid.individual.net:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
BMc wrote:

No, I'm not in Ithaca but just outside.

You're two lakes over... I'm in Canandaigua.

Hey - I grew up near Cayuga Lake.

I went skiing at Bristol Mountain once (bottom end of Canandaigua lake,
sort of).

--
Richard
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