<li> height is to big

Darin McGrew wrote:

Re: http://www.keyone.nl/lab/grunopark/basis.asp
Mark <scheper (AT) xs4all (DOT) nl> wrote:

It is possible to show the menu as you can see. Problem is the font size
and, what the question is about: how to get those (perhaps unreadable
menu items) closer to each other.


How much closer do you want them to be? I enforce a modest minimum font
size (12px), and several of them are overlapping each other.

That was not the point. I agree though, but...

I notice people enforce font sizes. I am not sure if this is especially
not in the Netherlands the case or? I mean i do not know people who work
like that. Does not mean that i am interested to do so...

I spoke with others on this matter and they agree that not many people
enforce their own font sizes. That is to come i guess but not now the case.

The point was not to overlap, but to close the gap between the <li> in
IE. I solved that.
Thanks

Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:02:16 +0100 from Mark <scheper (AT) xs4all (DOT) nl>:

Stan Brown wrote:
[quoted text muted]
they want what is impossible (not just expensive, impossible) you
need to make them see reason. I don't say it will be easy or
pleasant...

I think you are confused. Perhaps because of my english.
It is possible to show the menu as you can see. Problem is the font size
and, what the question is about: how to get those (perhaps unreadable
menu items) closer to each other.

Your English is just fine. You said your client insists that all menu
items appear on screen. I'm telling you that cannot be done.

--
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http://OakRoadSystems.com/
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Stan Brown wrote:

Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:02:16 +0100 from Mark <scheper (AT) xs4all (DOT) nl>:

Stan Brown wrote:

[quoted text muted]
they want what is impossible (not just expensive, impossible) you
need to make them see reason. I don't say it will be easy or
pleasant...

I think you are confused. Perhaps because of my english.
It is possible to show the menu as you can see. Problem is the font size
and, what the question is about: how to get those (perhaps unreadable
menu items) closer to each other.


Your English is just fine. You said your client insists that all menu
items appear on screen. I'm telling you that cannot be done.

So my english is not fine.
I meant that all menu items must show up, even if you have to scroll.
So i did not mean that you actualy must see them on your screen (with
another dimension).

Mark <scheper (AT) xs4all (DOT) nl> wrote:

I notice people enforce font sizes.

I notice that sites like http://www.keyone.nl/lab/grunopark/basis.asp try
to impose illegibly small microfonts on their visitors.
--
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Web Design Group, darin (AT) htmlhelp (DOT) com, http://www.HTMLHelp.com/

Why is "abbreviated" such a long word?

On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Darin McGrew wrote:

Mark <scheper (AT) xs4all (DOT) nl> wrote:
I notice people enforce font sizes.

I notice that sites like
http://www.keyone.nl/lab/grunopark/basis.asp try to impose illegibly
small microfonts on their visitors.

Confirmed. Examination of the offending stylesheet reveals
font-size: 0.65em , for example.

Thank goodness for Mozilla's min. font size - for normal browsing.

Thank Chris Pederick for an easy way to disable that - when reviewing
pesky web sites. (Such as this - hint, hint).

My impression is that there's no shortage of competent contributors
from .nl - who would surely be equally vociferous about web design on
a Nederlands-speaking usenet group, if the hon. Usenaut is doubtful of
his ability to communicate in English.

Gosh - a 404 error ppage which consists solely of an inline gif with
no alt text - this surely has to be some kind of clue-impairment
record? http://www.keyone.nl/lab/grunopark/route.asp ->
http://www.keyone.nl/img/no_page.gif

(And has it gone out of fashion to capitalise the pronoun "U" in
Dutch?)

Mark wrote:

Yep, you're right. But that does not solve my problem.
I did inform the designer and the client. But they do not care...

Seems to me like it's time to fire your client.

To clarify, in case of language problems:

When you run a business, you will encounter from time to time clients
or customers whose demands are unreasonable. When you run across one of
them, it is usually best to tell them that you cannot do (or will not
do) what they are asking, and suggest that they take their business
elsewhere.

Amazingly, you'll find that this tends to bring and keep a better
quality of client, and sends the idiots off to your competition so THEY
can get headaches from dealing with them...

Alan J. Flavell wrote:

On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Darin McGrew wrote:


Mark <scheper (AT) xs4all (DOT) nl> wrote:

I notice people enforce font sizes.

I notice that sites like
http://www.keyone.nl/lab/grunopark/basis.asp try to impose illegibly
small microfonts on their visitors.

Agree. My point is that i am not yet used to people who are aware of the
possibilty to enforce font size in their browsers. That is what i read
and wrote and where my question on that subject was about.

(English is not about the words, but also about how things are said. I
am sorry the things i try to say are "heard" as something else. I'll try
harder.)

Confirmed. Examination of the offending stylesheet reveals
font-size: 0.65em , for example.

Thank goodness for Mozilla's min. font size - for normal browsing.

Thank Chris Pederick for an easy way to disable that - when reviewing
pesky web sites. (Such as this - hint, hint).

My impression is that there's no shortage of competent contributors
from .nl - who would surely be equally vociferous about web design on
a Nederlands-speaking usenet group, if the hon. Usenaut is doubtful of
his ability to communicate in English.

Unfortunately not found one yet. Even companies which are realy on to
this are not yet that far as you people about this (well, there may be
one or two of course).

Gosh - a 404 error ppage which consists solely of an inline gif with
no alt text - this surely has to be some kind of clue-impairment
record? http://www.keyone.nl/lab/grunopark/route.asp -
http://www.keyone.nl/img/no_page.gif

Okay, i am not ready yet

(And has it gone out of fashion to capitalise the pronoun "U" in
Dutch?)

It has neven been in fashion. Only religious people who address their
god use "U".

Tony wrote:

Mark wrote:

Yep, you're right. But that does not solve my problem.
I did inform the designer and the client. But they do not care...


Seems to me like it's time to fire your client.

To clarify, in case of language problems:

When you run a business, you will encounter from time to time clients
or customers whose demands are unreasonable. When you run across one of
them, it is usually best to tell them that you cannot do (or will not
do) what they are asking, and suggest that they take their business
elsewhere.

Amazingly, you'll find that this tends to bring and keep a better
quality of client, and sends the idiots off to your competition so THEY
can get headaches from dealing with them...

As soon as i have the luxury to do that i will. At this point i have to
eat, drink an pay for my rent. So i am happy to have this client. In the
end he has to deal with complaints (if any) from visitors. Til, then
i'll try to explain again and again what it is all about.

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Mark wrote:

My impression is that there's no shortage of competent
contributors from .nl - who would surely be equally vociferous
about web design on a Nederlands-speaking usenet group, if the
hon. Usenaut is doubtful of his ability to communicate in English.

Unfortunately not found one yet.

For an outspoken contributor, who I probably don't always agree with,
but who is likely to make you think, I suggest
http://www.pretletters.net/html/webontwerp.html

for example
http://www.pretletters.net/html/webo...id-design.html
and so on.

I don't personally read nl.internet.www.ontwerp, but I see that she
points to it.

(And has it gone out of fashion to capitalise the pronoun "U" in
Dutch?)

It has neven been in fashion.

This is clearly wrong - I guess you're too young, but my printed Dutch
course (from half a lifetime back) is quite definite that the polite
2nd person is always capitalised. I guess there's been a change in
the meantime - sorry that I hadn't noticed that before.

best

Alan J. Flavell wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Mark wrote:


My impression is that there's no shortage of competent
contributors from .nl - who would surely be equally vociferous
about web design on a Nederlands-speaking usenet group, if the
hon. Usenaut is doubtful of his ability to communicate in English.

Unfortunately not found one yet.


For an outspoken contributor, who I probably don't always agree with,
but who is likely to make you think, I suggest
http://www.pretletters.net/html/webontwerp.html

for example
http://www.pretletters.net/html/webo...id-design.html
and so on.

I don't personally read nl.internet.www.ontwerp, but I see that she
points to it.

Ah, thanks!

(And has it gone out of fashion to capitalise the pronoun "U" in
Dutch?)

It has neven been in fashion.


This is clearly wrong - I guess you're too young, but my printed Dutch
course (from half a lifetime back) is quite definite that the polite
2nd person is always capitalised. I guess there's been a change in
the meantime - sorry that I hadn't noticed that before.

best

Well, i can write for over 30 years and it has been "u" for all i know.
But what you write can be true. I think it changed during the years then.

Mark