IE7 overwrites two lines, Firefox 3 doesn't

On Apr 24, 1:08*pm, Stan Brown <the_stan_br... (AT) fastmail (DOT) fm> wrote:

I suspect an obscure bug, and I'd be grateful if someone can take a
look and suggest a way to change my CSS to avoid the bug while still
remaining standards conforming.

On quizzes, the question numbers are double size and floated left so
that text flows around them. But on question 2 of the quiz (URL
below) IE7 overwrites the two lines. *I would suspect some
interaction between the floated question number and the subscripts on
the first line, except that question 3 also has subscripts on the
first line and IE7 doesn't have trouble with it.

(You can also see the problem in IE6, if you narrow the viewport
enough that question 2 has to go onto two lines.)

The example is athttp://www.tc3.edu/instruct/sbrown/stat/pq10.htm
with CSS athttp://www.tc3.edu/instruct/sbrown/screen.css

Both validate with no errors or warnings.

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Is this still a problem? It still looks to me like it is a problem.
If so, then try this....

Instead of this...
₀

.... do this...
<span style="position:relative; top:3px; font-size:50%">0</span>

.... also do it to the...
₁

Play around with the exact measurements you want to make it look
better.

(give it a class, and put it where it belongs in you css file.)

On 23 avr, 23:08, Stan Brown <the_stan_br... (AT) fastmail (DOT) fm> wrote:

[snipped]

on question 2 of the quiz (URL
below) IE7 overwrites the two lines.

Stan,

I have saved the markup code and CSS code and will look at this. I
will probably add it to my IE 7 bugs webpage too later.

The example is athttp://www.tc3.edu/instruct/sbrown/stat/pq10.htm
with CSS athttp://www.tc3.edu/instruct/sbrown/screen.css

Both validate with no errors or warnings.

I read your
Trouble Viewing These Pages?; Thinking about Upgrading?
http://www.tc3.edu/instruct/sbrown/viewing.htm#Upgrade

I sincerly think you should clearly and outright say that IE 6 and IE
7 are not recommendable browsers, are 2 browser versions with lots of
bugs, incorrect implementations, etc.. and suggest to upgrade to IE 8
if people are not willing to switch to latest version of Firefox 3 or
to latest version of Opera 9.

Current international web sites warning against Internet Explorer 6
http://blog.peterhaza.no/current-international-web-sites-warning-against-internet-explorer-6/

Ballmer throws more weight behind drop IE6 campaign
http://www.tu.no/it/article201452.ece (in German)
"
Microsoft recommends end users that are browsing the web with Internet
Explorer 6 to upgrade today to benefit from numerous improvements
including security features and usability enhancements.
"

Google urges IE6 users to upgrade
http://www.wisdump.com/web-programming/browser-wars-firefox-up-ie-down-google-dumps-ie6/

http://idroppedie6.com/

http://www.end6.org/

http://dearie6.com/

http://www.bringdownie6.com/

http://www.usabilitypost.com/2008/09/05/drop-ie6-support-give-people-a-reason-to-upgrade/

http://superfluousbanter.org/archives/2008/09/the-final-word-on-ie6/

http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/1072-apples-mobileme-drops-support-for-ie-6

There are at least 4 coutries with active campains to phase out IE 6:
Philippines, Sweden, Denmark, Finland
http://ie6.forteller.net/index.php?title=Main_Page

Regards, Gérard
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Internet Explorer 8 bugs: 48 bugs so far
http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/MSIE8Bugs/

Stan,

I added it to the IE 7 bugs collection:
http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/MSIE7Bugs/#bug174

Regards, Gérard
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Internet Explorer 8 bugs: 48 bugs so far
http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/MSIE8Bugs/

Wed, 6 May 2009 17:46:47 -0700 (PDT) from GTalbot
<newsgroup (AT) gtalbot (DOT) org>:

I read your
Trouble Viewing These Pages?; Thinking about Upgrading?
http://www.tc3.edu/instruct/sbrown/viewing.htm#Upgrade

I sincerly think you should clearly and outright say that IE 6 and IE
7 are not recommendable browsers, are 2 browser versions with lots of
bugs, incorrect implementations, etc.. and suggest to upgrade to IE 8
if people are not willing to switch to latest version of Firefox 3 or
to latest version of Opera 9.

Good point. You may have noticed the revision date on that page --
I'm going to bring it up to date this week and use your comments.

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Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
HTML 4.01 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/
validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2.1 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/
validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
Why We Won't Help You:
http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/05/05/why_we_wont_help_you

Wed, 6 May 2009 20:39:44 -0700 (PDT) from GTalbot
<newsgroup (AT) gtalbot (DOT) org>:

Stan,

I added it to the IE 7 bugs collection:
http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/MSIE7Bugs/#bug174

Regards, Gérard
--
Internet Explorer 7 bugs: 174 bugs so far
http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/MSIE7Bugs/
Internet Explorer 8 bugs: 48 bugs so far
http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/MSIE8Bugs/

Thanks. I didn't want to change the published copy while this was
all under discussion, but now I will. :-)

BTW, there seems to be something good about your signature delimiter.
Gravity is usually quite good about not quoting sigs. Are you
perhaps missing the space after the two hyphens?

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
HTML 4.01 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/
validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2.1 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/
validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
Why We Won't Help You:
http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/05/05/why_we_wont_help_you

Stan Brown wrote:

Wed, 6 May 2009 20:39:44 -0700 (PDT) from GTalbot
newsgroup (AT) gtalbot (DOT) org>:
Stan,

I added it to the IE 7 bugs collection:
http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/MSIE7Bugs/#bug174

Regards, Gérard
--
Internet Explorer 7 bugs: 174 bugs so far
http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/MSIE7Bugs/
Internet Explorer 8 bugs: 48 bugs so far
http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/MSIE8Bugs/

Thanks. I didn't want to change the published copy while this was
all under discussion, but now I will. :-)

BTW, there seems to be something good about your signature delimiter.
Gravity is usually quite good about not quoting sigs. Are you
perhaps missing the space after the two hyphens?

Yes, he is. :-)

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http://edmullen.net
We have enough youth. How about a fountain of smart?

Stan Brown wrote:

Wed, 6 May 2009 20:39:44 -0700 (PDT) from GTalbot
newsgroup (AT) gtalbot (DOT) org>:


Regards, Gérard
--
Internet Explorer 7 bugs: 174 bugs so far


BTW, there seems to be something good about your signature delimiter.
^^^^

There's some equally good about your line above. ;-)
Or were you just trying to look for the positive value in everything?

Gravity is usually quite good about not quoting sigs. Are you
perhaps missing the space after the two hyphens?

It's because he's posting via GoogleGroups, which strips trailing
spaces. The result is broken sig delimiters.


--
John
Not to mention a backlash against GGers.
Also not mentioning the UIP: http://improve-usenet.org/

In article
<c4ce1be9-c8e7-4dce-a0b1-78bf887fe1ff (AT) r36g2000vbr (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
GTalbot <newsgroup (AT) gtalbot (DOT) org> wrote:

http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/MSIE7Bugs/#bug174

So many odd IE float bugs! It is not particularly about inline elements.
It is more to do with line-height and IE getting confused with its sub
and the large font. Remove either of these and the problem disappears.

IE has always been funny about widths or lack of them or working out
what 100% is of what or simply choosing to make up its own mind about
these things as it sees fit, never mind us. And especially with floats.
Giving widths to containers or heights triggers IE into behaving better.

<http://dorayme.netweaver.com.au/talbotStanBug.html>

and here is one way to avoid. There are other ways:

<http://dorayme.netweaver.com.au/talbotStanBugFixedForIE.html>

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Thu, 07 May 2009 23:18:17 +0200 from John Hosking
<John (AT) DELETE (DOT) Hosking.name.INVALID>:

Stan Brown wrote:
Wed, 6 May 2009 20:39:44 -0700 (PDT) from GTalbot
newsgroup (AT) gtalbot (DOT) org>:


Regards, Gérard
--
Internet Explorer 7 bugs: 174 bugs so far


BTW, there seems to be something good about your signature delimiter.
^^^^
There's some equally good about your line above. ;-)
Or were you just trying to look for the positive value in everything?

Gravity is usually quite good about not quoting sigs. Are you
perhaps missing the space after the two hyphens?

It's because he's posting via GoogleGroups, which strips trailing
spaces. The result is broken sig delimiters.

I'm trying to imagine what I *meant* to write that could have changed
to "something good". I'm failing.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
HTML 4.01 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/
validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2.1 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/
validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
Why We Won't Help You:
http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/05/05/why_we_wont_help_you