IE and Geocities

Hi there,

I have this template from Andreas that I'd like to use in Yahoo!
Geocities.

You can view it here:
http://www.geocities.com/rafael_minuesa/andreas/

and this is the original:
http://andreasviklund.com/templates/andreas03/

It displays correctly in all browsers except in IE, where the right
column:

#sidebar{
width:153px;
float:right;
margin-top:5px;
font-size:0.9em;
line-height:1.3em;
}

displays incorrectly.

In the original css I had to change #sidebar from width:155px; to
width:153px; because the menu was being displaced to the bottom in
IE,

It has something to do with some code added by the Geocities server,
because on its own (and by that I mean locally viewed or uploaded to a
"clean" server) it displays correctly in all browsers.

Access keys don't work in IE either, but that's a different issue.

Any ideas?

Thanks

On Sep 11, 4:02*pm, Ben Bacarisse <ben.use... (AT) bsb (DOT) me.uk> wrote:

Fistro <rafam... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> writes:
I have this template from Andreas that I'd like to use in Yahoo!
Geocities.

You can view it here:
http://www.geocities.com/rafael_minuesa/andreas/

and this is the original:
http://andreasviklund.com/templates/andreas03/
snip
It has something to do with some code added by the Geocities server,
because on its own (and by that I mean locally viewed or uploaded to a
"clean" server) it displays correctly in all browsers.

The server is adding elements in front of the DOCTYPE. *The DOCTYPE is
designed to put all browsers in "standards" rather than "quirks" mode
but any text at all before it changes this behaviour.

This is the code being added:
<script language="JavaScript">var PUpage="76001548"; var
PUprop="geocities"; </script>
<script language="JavaScript" src="http://www.geocities.com/js_source/
pu5geo.js"></script>
<script language="JavaScript"> var thGetOv="http://
themis.geocities.yahoo.com/themis/h.php"; var thCanURL="http://
us.geocities.com/rafael_minuesa/index.html"; var thSpaceId="76001548";
var thIP="149.254.192.216"; var thTs="1221142198"; var
thCs="eca143e1e19d7668d191423109654f94";</script>
<noscript><link rel="stylesheet" href="http://
themis.geocities.yahoo.com/jsoff.css?
thIP=149.254.192.216&thTs=1221142198"></noscript>
<script language="JavaScript" src="http://us.geocities.com/js_source/
geovck08.js"></script>

Any workarounds that you may know of?

Thank you.

Fistro <rafaminu (AT) gmail (DOT) com> writes:

On Sep 11, 4:02*pm, Ben Bacarisse <ben.use... (AT) bsb (DOT) me.uk> wrote:

The server is adding elements in front of the DOCTYPE. *The DOCTYPE is
designed to put all browsers in "standards" rather than "quirks" mode
but any text at all before it changes this behaviour.

This is the code being added:

It doesn't matter *what* gets added. What part of "any text at all" is
not clear to you?

Any workarounds that you may know of?

Host your pages somewhere that doesn't f**k them up.

sherm--

--
My blog: http://shermspace.blogspot.com
Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net

On 11 sep, 18:29, Sherm Pendley <spamt... (AT) dot-app (DOT) org> wrote:

Fistro <rafam... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> writes:
On Sep 11, 4:02*pm, Ben Bacarisse <ben.use... (AT) bsb (DOT) me.uk> wrote:

The server is adding elements in front of the DOCTYPE. *The DOCTYPE is
designed to put all browsers in "standards" rather than "quirks" mode
but any text at all before it changes this behaviour.

This is the code being added:

It doesn't matter *what* gets added. What part of "any text at all" is
not clear to you?
It DOES matter *what* gets added, you buffoon. That's the whole

point.
I have already said that: "It has something to do with some code added
by the Geocities server"
What part of that sentence specifically you fail to understand?
I knew that sooner or later some smart-alec would show up. I was
hoping that it'd be later, but no luck.

Any workarounds that you may know of?

Host your pages somewhere that doesn't f**k them up.
Bravo sherm,

Thankyou sherm,
Freak off sherm.

Fistro <rafaminu (AT) gmail (DOT) com> writes:

On 11 sep, 18:29, Sherm Pendley <spamt... (AT) dot-app (DOT) org> wrote:
Fistro <rafam... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> writes:
On Sep 11, 4:02*pm, Ben Bacarisse <ben.use... (AT) bsb (DOT) me.uk> wrote:

The server is adding elements in front of the DOCTYPE. *The DOCTYPE is
designed to put all browsers in "standards" rather than "quirks" mode
but any text at all before it changes this behaviour.

This is the code being added:

It doesn't matter *what* gets added. What part of "any text at all" is
not clear to you?

It DOES matter *what* gets added, you buffoon.

Shouting and calling me names won't change facts.

Your layout problem is caused by quirks mode. Quirks mode is triggered
when any text at all appears above the DOCTYPE, so that the DOCTYPE is
no longer on the first line of the document.

What part of "any text at all" is so hard to understand? It's not what
gets added that causes problems, it's where it gets added. Geocities
could add an empty comment at the top, and it would have precisely the
same effect as what they're adding now. Anything at all that pushes
your DOCTYPE down off the first line will have that effect.

Host your pages somewhere that doesn't f**k them up.
Bravo sherm,
Thankyou sherm,

You're welcome. Happy to help!

sherm--

--
My blog: http://shermspace.blogspot.com
Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net

Fistro wrote:

On 11 sep, 18:29, Sherm Pendley <spamt... (AT) dot-app (DOT) org> wrote:
Fistro <rafam... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> writes:
On Sep 11, 4:02 pm, Ben Bacarisse <ben.use... (AT) bsb (DOT) me.uk> wrote:
The server is adding elements in front of the DOCTYPE. The DOCTYPE is
designed to put all browsers in "standards" rather than "quirks" mode
but any text at all before it changes this behaviour.
This is the code being added:
It doesn't matter *what* gets added. What part of "any text at all" is
not clear to you?
It DOES matter *what* gets added, you buffoon. That's the whole
point.
I have already said that: "It has something to do with some code added
by the Geocities server"
What part of that sentence specifically you fail to understand?
I knew that sooner or later some smart-alec would show up. I was
hoping that it'd be later, but no luck.

Any workarounds that you may know of?
Host your pages somewhere that doesn't f**k them up.
Bravo sherm,
Thankyou sherm,
Freak off sherm.

Well Sherm advice although not the most tactful was spot-on. If the
server, like Geocities inserts anything before the DOCTYPE is going to
be problematic for IE. It is best to find another server that DOES NOT
inject stuff into your pages. There are options out there, and some free
ones as well. Google is your friend,

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ad+free+free+web+hosting&btnG=Googl e+Search
ad free free web hosting - Google Search
--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On Sep 11, 7:18 pm, Sherm Pendley <spamt... (AT) dot-app (DOT) org> wrote:

Fistro <rafam... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> writes:
On 11 sep, 18:29, Sherm Pendley <spamt... (AT) dot-app (DOT) org> wrote:
Fistro <rafam... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> writes:
On Sep 11, 4:02 pm, Ben Bacarisse <ben.use... (AT) bsb (DOT) me.uk> wrote:

The server is adding elements in front of the DOCTYPE. The DOCTYPE is
designed to put all browsers in "standards" rather than "quirks" mode
but any text at all before it changes this behaviour.

This is the code being added:

It doesn't matter *what* gets added. What part of "any text at all" is
not clear to you?

It DOES matter *what* gets added, you buffoon.

Shouting and calling me names won't change facts.

Your layout problem is caused by quirks mode. Quirks mode is triggered
when any text at all appears above the DOCTYPE, so that the DOCTYPE is
no longer on the first line of the document.

What part of "any text at all" is so hard to understand? It's not what
gets added that causes problems, it's where it gets added. Geocities
could add an empty comment at the top, and it would have precisely the
same effect as what they're adding now. Anything at all that pushes
your DOCTYPE down off the first line will have that effect.

So, in other words, you have no idea of what is being added neither of
any workarounds .
That's fine, just say so, or better yet, don't say anything.
I don't either, you see, that's why I'm asking.

On Sep 11, 7:20*pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4... (AT) central (DOT) net> wrote:

Fistro wrote:
On 11 sep, 18:29, Sherm Pendley <spamt... (AT) dot-app (DOT) org> wrote:
Fistro <rafam... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> writes:
On Sep 11, 4:02 pm, Ben Bacarisse <ben.use... (AT) bsb (DOT) me.uk> wrote:
The server is adding elements in front of the DOCTYPE. *The DOCTYPE is
designed to put all browsers in "standards" rather than "quirks" mode
but any text at all before it changes this behaviour.
This is the code being added:
It doesn't matter *what* gets added. What part of "any text at all" is
not clear to you?
It DOES matter **what* gets added, you buffoon. That's the whole
point.
I have already said that: "It has something to do with some code added
by the Geocities server"
What part of that sentence specifically you fail to understand?
I knew that sooner or later some smart-alec would show up. I was
hoping that it'd be later, but no luck.

Any workarounds that you may know of?
Host your pages somewhere that doesn't f**k them up.
Bravo sherm,
Thankyou sherm,
Freak off sherm.

Well Sherm advice although not the most tactful was spot-on. If the
server, like Geocities inserts anything before the DOCTYPE is going to
be problematic for IE. It is best to find another server that DOES NOT
inject stuff into your pages. There are options out there, and some free
ones as well. Google is your friend,
I know is problematic, but since it renders perfectly in Firefox and

ALL the major browsers, I was hoping that maybe some of you would be
some kind as to provide with a lead in THAT direction?
If you care to notice the whole layout gets also displaced to the left
margin, when it should be at the center. Any clues?
Thank you.

P.S.
There are other hosting options, but that would mean that I have to
create a new site in order not to duplicate the existing content plus
redirect all external links.

Fistro <rafaminu (AT) gmail (DOT) com> writes:

On Sep 11, 7:18 pm, Sherm Pendley <spamt... (AT) dot-app (DOT) org> wrote:
Fistro <rafam... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> writes:
On 11 sep, 18:29, Sherm Pendley <spamt... (AT) dot-app (DOT) org> wrote:
Fistro <rafam... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> writes:
On Sep 11, 4:02 pm, Ben Bacarisse <ben.use... (AT) bsb (DOT) me.uk> wrote:

The server is adding elements in front of the DOCTYPE. The DOCTYPE is
designed to put all browsers in "standards" rather than "quirks" mode
but any text at all before it changes this behaviour.

This is the code being added:

It doesn't matter *what* gets added. What part of "any text at all" is
not clear to you?

It DOES matter *what* gets added, you buffoon.

Shouting and calling me names won't change facts.

Your layout problem is caused by quirks mode. Quirks mode is triggered
when any text at all appears above the DOCTYPE, so that the DOCTYPE is
no longer on the first line of the document.

What part of "any text at all" is so hard to understand? It's not what
gets added that causes problems, it's where it gets added. Geocities
could add an empty comment at the top, and it would have precisely the
same effect as what they're adding now. Anything at all that pushes
your DOCTYPE down off the first line will have that effect.

So, in other words, you have no idea of what is being added neither of
any workarounds .

I know that it doesn't matter what gets added above the DOCTYPE. Any
text that's added above it will trigger quirks mode.

That's fine, just say so, or better yet, don't say anything.

If you don't want help, why did you ask for it?

I don't either, you see, that's why I'm asking.

If you don't know what's going on, then you have no logical basis to
assert that someone else's advice about it is incorrect. It's pretty
obvious at this point that you don't actually want help - you're just
here to pick a fight. So, into the killfile you go... *plonk*

sherm--

--
My blog: http://shermspace.blogspot.com
Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net

On Sep 11, 2:39*pm, Fistro <rafam... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

On Sep 11, 7:18 pm, Sherm Pendley <spamt... (AT) dot-app (DOT) org> wrote:



Fistro <rafam... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> writes:
On 11 sep, 18:29, Sherm Pendley <spamt... (AT) dot-app (DOT) org> wrote:
Fistro <rafam... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> writes:
On Sep 11, 4:02 pm, Ben Bacarisse <ben.use... (AT) bsb (DOT) me.uk> wrote:

The server is adding elements in front of the DOCTYPE. *The DOCTYPE is
designed to put all browsers in "standards" rather than "quirks" mode
but any text at all before it changes this behaviour.

This is the code being added:

It doesn't matter *what* gets added. What part of "any text at all" is
not clear to you?

It DOES matter **what* gets added, you buffoon.

Shouting and calling me names won't change facts.

Your layout problem is caused by quirks mode. Quirks mode is triggered
when any text at all appears above the DOCTYPE, so that the DOCTYPE is
no longer on the first line of the document.

What part of "any text at all" is so hard to understand? It's not what
gets added that causes problems, it's where it gets added. Geocities
could add an empty comment at the top, and it would have precisely the
same effect as what they're adding now. Anything at all that pushes
your DOCTYPE down off the first line will have that effect.

So, in other words, you have no idea of what is being added neither of
any workarounds .
That's fine, just say so, or better yet, don't say anything.
I don't either, you see, that's why I'm asking.

And the answers has been provided. There ARE no workarounds. This is
what these guys are trying to explain to you. Doesn't matter WHAT is
being added, the fact that ANYTHING AT ALL is added before the doctype
will foul it up. Since you have no control over Geocities dumping on
your code, there is no workaround so long as you host on Geocities.