IE and Geocities

Fistro wrote:

I know is problematic, but since it renders perfectly in Firefox and
ALL the major browsers, I was hoping that maybe some of you would be
some kind as to provide with a lead in THAT direction?

If you trigger quirks mode then cross-browser consistency is doomed
because the browser then work in legacy mode, and "legacy" means
different things to each browser.

The original advice still stands whether or not you wish to accept it.
Don't trigger quirks mode, don't let the server inject stuff into your
document to trigger quirks mode. Since you do not have control over how
Geocities run their servers, you only option is use a server that
doesn't inject stuff into your document.

If you care to notice the whole layout gets also displaced to the left
margin, when it should be at the center. Any clues?
Thank you.

P.S.
There are other hosting options, but that would mean that I have to
create a new site in order not to duplicate the existing content plus
redirect all external links.

No, just copy files from old server to new server, then change your DNS
record with whom ever you are using to register your domain name with to
the new server.

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Take care,

Jonathan
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LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Hey Fistro.

Sherm just put you in his kill file. That's good. It means, if he
really did it, that your future questions here should get more civil
replies.

If you don't know what's going on, then you have no logical basis to
assert that someone else's advice about it is incorrect. It's pretty
obvious at this point that you don't actually want help - you're just
here to pick a fight. So, into the killfile you go... *plonk*

sherm--

[top-posting fixed]

On 2008-09-11, Jack wrote:

If you don't know what's going on, then you have no logical basis to
assert that someone else's advice about it is incorrect. It's pretty
obvious at this point that you don't actually want help - you're just
here to pick a fight. So, into the killfile you go... *plonk*
Hey Fistro.

Sherm just put you in his kill file. That's good. It means, if he
really did it, that your future questions here should get more civil
replies.

The answers *may* be more civil, but they will not be any more
accurate.

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Author:
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In article <m1abeeioa2.fsf (AT) dot-app (DOT) org>,
Sherm Pendley <spamtrap (AT) dot-app (DOT) org> wrote:

Fistro <rafaminu (AT) gmail (DOT) com> writes:

On Sep 11, 4:02*pm, Ben Bacarisse <ben.use... (AT) bsb (DOT) me.uk> wrote:

The server is adding elements in front of the DOCTYPE. *The DOCTYPE is
designed to put all browsers in "standards" rather than "quirks" mode
but any text at all before it changes this behaviour.

This is the code being added:

It doesn't matter *what* gets added. What part of "any text at all" is
not clear to you?

I regularly add things like

<?php $thisPage="name"; ?>

So maybe there is more to understanding "any text at all" than might
seem.

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dorayme

In article <f53jc4998jrfddkalh4fm8nm24tm9do8oj (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
Jack<Sorry (AT) cantdothat (DOT) com> wrote:

Hey Fistro.

Sherm just put you in his kill file. That's good. It means, if he
really did it, that your future questions here should get more civil
replies.

Hardly, there are a quite a few lined up in waiting to mug newcomers.
And besides, Sherm is actually just a softie in disguise, his killfile
is hopeless and his plonking works for about 3 secs.

I have been in some of the best kfs in the world and I can assure you
there are some very bad and mean ones and it takes a sort of Mandela or
Bird Man of Alcatraz (Burt Lancaster) type like me to make the best out
of them to cope.

--
dorayme

On Sep 11, 9:40*pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4... (AT) central (DOT) net> wrote:

Fistro wrote:
I know is problematic, but since it renders perfectly in Firefox and
ALL the major browsers, I was hoping that maybe some of you would be
some kind as to provide with a lead in THAT direction?

If you trigger quirks mode then cross-browser consistency is doomed
because the browser then work in legacy mode, and "legacy" means
different things to each browser.

Then, one solution to the issue of cross-browser compatibility would
be to create multiple style sheets for multiple browsers, then using
JavaScript code to return the version and type of browser the web
visitor is using.
In fact I only need another style sheet specific for IE

Correct? Just asking ...

Fistro wrote:

On Sep 11, 9:40 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4... (AT) central (DOT) net> wrote:
Fistro wrote:
I know is problematic, but since it renders perfectly in Firefox and
ALL the major browsers, I was hoping that maybe some of you would be
some kind as to provide with a lead in THAT direction?
If you trigger quirks mode then cross-browser consistency is doomed
because the browser then work in legacy mode, and "legacy" means
different things to each browser.

Then, one solution to the issue of cross-browser compatibility would
be to create multiple style sheets for multiple browsers, then using
JavaScript code to return the version and type of browser the web
visitor is using.
In fact I only need another style sheet specific for IE

Correct? Just asking ...

And when JavaScript is disabled, or the browser is posing as IE, as some
folks with Opera use to do...

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Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

dorayme wrote:

In article <m1abeeioa2.fsf (AT) dot-app (DOT) org>,
Sherm Pendley <spamtrap (AT) dot-app (DOT) org> wrote:

Fistro <rafaminu (AT) gmail (DOT) com> writes:

On Sep 11, 4:02 pm, Ben Bacarisse <ben.use... (AT) bsb (DOT) me.uk> wrote:
The server is adding elements in front of the DOCTYPE. The DOCTYPE is
designed to put all browsers in "standards" rather than "quirks" mode
but any text at all before it changes this behaviour.
This is the code being added:
It doesn't matter *what* gets added. What part of "any text at all" is
not clear to you?


I regularly add things like

?php $thisPage="name"; ?

But that does not send that text to the browser, as with any
*server-side* code.

So maybe there is more to understanding "any text at all" than might
seem.

So to more finely define it, any text sent from the server to the
browser before the DOCTYPE will cause problems...


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Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On Sep 12, 12:27*am, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4... (AT) central (DOT) net> wrote:

Fistro wrote:
On Sep 11, 9:40 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4... (AT) central (DOT) net> wrote:
Fistro wrote:
I know is problematic, but since it renders perfectly in Firefox and
ALL the major browsers, I was hoping that maybe some of you would be
some kind as to provide with a lead in THAT direction?
If you trigger quirks mode then cross-browser consistency is doomed
because the browser then work in legacy mode, and "legacy" means
different things to each browser.

Then, one solution to the issue of cross-browser compatibility would
be to create multiple style sheets for multiple browsers, then using
JavaScript code to return the version and type of browser the web
visitor is using.
In fact I only need another style sheet specific for IE

Correct? Just asking ...

And when JavaScript is disabled, or the browser is posing as IE, as some
* folks with Opera use to do...

I'll take that risk.
Not many people disable JavaScript in IE, anyway and the percentage of
those posing as IE with Opera are insignificant and I'm sure they'll
understand

How about about Conditional Comments?

On Sep 12, 1:05*am, Ben Bacarisse <ben.use... (AT) bsb (DOT) me.uk> wrote:

Fistro <rafam... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> writes:
On Sep 11, 9:40*pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4... (AT) central (DOT) net> wrote:
Fistro wrote:
I know is problematic, but since it renders perfectly in Firefox and
ALL the major browsers, I was hoping that maybe some of you would be
some kind as to provide with a lead in THAT direction?

If you trigger quirks mode then cross-browser consistency is doomed
because the browser then work in legacy mode, and "legacy" means
different things to each browser.

Then, one solution to the issue of cross-browser compatibility would
be to create multiple style sheets for multiple browsers, then using
JavaScript code to return the version and type of browser the web
visitor is using.
In fact I only need another style sheet specific for IE

Correct? Just asking ...

Hmm... *There are lots of problems with "browser sniffing" as such
detection is called. *If you simply must have a separate style sheet
for IE I would suggest you use MS's conditional comments.

But is this really a option? *I presume you are using an off the peg
layout because you are not familiar with CSS. *Fixing a layout for IE
quirks mode is not trivial (there is no spec as far as I know, you
just have to know all the ins and outs).

Are you sure you can not get Geocities to stop adding stuff to your
page? *Maybe you can configure the service to put the extra stuff
where it belongs.

[1]http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms537512.aspx

I just been reading through that article, thank you.
You're right, fixing a layout for IE quirks mode is an ordeal, but it
is a new challenge that will enrich my knowledge and will be obsolete
by the time I have mastered it.
Believe it or not I work with CSS all the time, but I do it mostly
with pre-made templates that I have to adapt to different major
browsers (IE 6+). All it takes is going through the style sheet and
fix a few known issues.
This time is different because it looks like I have to correct just
about every other issue, but it's ok, I'll do it, and I'll hate
Microsoft just a little bit more ...