How to pronounce/refer "!important"?

R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:

On Mar 20, 4:32 pm, David Stone <no.em... (AT) domain (DOT) invalid> wrote:
In article
9231b3ea-e956-40c1-9a01-4a81a0dda... (AT) s8g2000prg (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
"R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah" <ng4rrjanb... (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote:
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I'm just wondering, what is the correct way to refer to "!important".
I currently refer it is "not important"--but I guess, it's wrong. What
is the correct way? TIA
snip
By analogy with shell scripts "bang important"

Seems to work...

In C, we refer "!" as "not". So, I refer "!important" as "not
important".

You refer to it as "not" in C because in C it *means* "not". That
meaning doesn't convey to CSS, where it isn't any more fitting to call
it "not" than it is to call it "factorial" (because that's what "!"
signifies in standard mathematical notation as well as in the APL
computer language) or "single" (because in Visual Basic "!" marks a
single-precision floating point numeric constant).

But, I'm still interested in official way of referring.

There isn't any official way and, as others have said, just saying
"important" is typically enough, unless you're spelling it out for
someone who's typing some CSS at your instruction. In that case, "bang"
is a traditional name for the exclamation point if you don't want to say
"exclamation point" in full.

On 2008-03-20, David Stone wrote:

In article
9231b3ea-e956-40c1-9a01-4a81a0ddaae0...oglegroups.com>,
"R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah" <ng4rrjanbiah (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote:

On Mar 20, 3:41 pm, "Rik Wasmus" <luiheidsgoe... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:21:44 +0100, R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah

ng4rrjanb... (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote:
I'm just wondering, what is the correct way to refer to "!important".
I currently refer it is "not important"--but I guess, it's wrong. What
is the correct way? TIA

I just call it 'important', because that what it is. The ! is just a
delimiter.http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/cascade.html#important-rules

"important" is the meaning and I understand it. But, think about
the situation of teacher who has to refer the notation when he write
it on board; how should he refer?

By analogy with shell scripts "bang important"

I've never used the term 'bang' in shell scripting. Surely it
comes from the old bang paths (for e-mail, etc.)?

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In article <76c6$47e295ec$cef88ba3$17682 (AT) TEKSAVVY (DOT) COM>,
"Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohnson (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

On 2008-03-20, David Stone wrote:
In article
9231b3ea-e956-40c1-9a01-4a81a0ddaae0...oglegroups.com>,
"R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah" <ng4rrjanbiah (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote:

On Mar 20, 3:41 pm, "Rik Wasmus" <luiheidsgoe... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:21:44 +0100, R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah

ng4rrjanb... (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote:
I'm just wondering, what is the correct way to refer to "!important".
I currently refer it is "not important"--but I guess, it's wrong. What
is the correct way? TIA

I just call it 'important', because that what it is. The ! is just a
delimiter.http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/cascade.html#important-rules

"important" is the meaning and I understand it. But, think about
the situation of teacher who has to refer the notation when he write
it on board; how should he refer?

By analogy with shell scripts "bang important"

I've never used the term 'bang' in shell scripting. Surely it
comes from the old bang paths (for e-mail, etc.)?

I think you may be right, but there is a term in shell scripting
for the path line - shebang, maybe? Doesn't matter greatly, I suspect!

Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:

On 2008-03-20, David Stone wrote:
In article
9231b3ea-e956-40c1-9a01-4a81a0ddaae0...oglegroups.com>,
"R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah" <ng4rrjanbiah (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote:

On Mar 20, 3:41 pm, "Rik Wasmus" <luiheidsgoe... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:21:44 +0100, R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah

ng4rrjanb... (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote:
I'm just wondering, what is the correct way to refer to
"!important". I currently refer it is "not important"--but I guess,
it's wrong. What is the correct way? TIA

I just call it 'important', because that what it is. The ! is just a
delimiter.http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/cascade.html#important-rules

"important" is the meaning and I understand it. But, think about
the situation of teacher who has to refer the notation when he write it
on board; how should he refer?

By analogy with shell scripts "bang important"

I've never used the term 'bang' in shell scripting. Surely it comes
from the old bang paths (for e-mail, etc.)?

You've never read/seen/heard the

#!

(as in #!/bin/bash

as "shebang"?


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On 2008-03-20, Blinky the Shark wrote:

Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
On 2008-03-20, David Stone wrote:
....
By analogy with shell scripts "bang important"

I've never used the term 'bang' in shell scripting. Surely it comes
from the old bang paths (for e-mail, etc.)?

You've never read/seen/heard the

#!

(as in #!/bin/bash

as "shebang"?

shebang != bang

The term 'shebang' may or may not be derived from the bang in
bang paths.

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Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:

On 2008-03-20, Blinky the Shark wrote:
Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
On 2008-03-20, David Stone wrote:
...
By analogy with shell scripts "bang important"

I've never used the term 'bang' in shell scripting. Surely it comes
from the old bang paths (for e-mail, etc.)?

You've never read/seen/heard the

#!

(as in #!/bin/bash

as "shebang"?

shebang != bang

I know, and did not say it did. I asked a related question.

The term 'shebang' may or may not be derived from the bang in bang
paths.

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On 20 Mar, 18:49, "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohn... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

The term 'shebang' may or may not be derived from the bang in
bang paths.

Unlikely, as the term shebang pre-dates bang paths by some years.

In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets message <68b8d$47e2b1ce$ce
f88ba3$23057 (AT) TEKSAVVY (DOT) COM>, Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:49:50, Chris F.A.
Johnson <cfajohnson (AT) gmail (DOT) com> posted:

The term 'shebang' may or may not be derived from the bang in
bang paths.

The word is most unlikely to have been derived from something that only
came into existence about a century after Mark Twain used the word : see
<http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/the-whole-shebang.html>.

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Dr J R Stockton wrote:

In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets message <68b8d$47e2b1ce$ce
f88ba3$23057 (AT) TEKSAVVY (DOT) COM>, Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:49:50, Chris F.A. Johnson
cfajohnson (AT) gmail (DOT) com> posted:

The term 'shebang' may or may not be derived from the bang in bang
paths.

The word is most unlikely to have been derived from something that only
came into existence about a century after Mark Twain used the word : see
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/the-whole-shebang.html>.

And of course I never implied that there wasn't an existing word "shebang"
that was borrowed as a ref to the symbol pair, the latter symbol of which
is a bang.

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