To Frame or not to Frame

Flat Earth wrote:

I'm not sure what prompts your unpleasantness but I hope to meet you
under better circumstances next time.

Same here. No harm, no foul.

Cheers--

Cool
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CJM wrote:

Caveat: I normally spend my time in the msnews NG's; this attracts a range
of people ranging from fully signed-up Redmond clones to Open Source Trolls.
You get allsorts!

Indeed.

However, since some of my queries have been regarding pure HTML/CSS rather
than MS's interpretation via IE or ASP, I've been coming to these NGs for a
while, and quite frankly, it's helpful getting a more balanced technical
viewpoint rather than MS spin.

I'm glad you find this forum. So do I. I'm sure most regulars feel
the same, else why would they participate?

However, the thing that struck me most when I came across here was
overwhelmingly negative atmosphere. There are a few gems here, but these
people seem to be outnumbered by a clique of unpleasant, unhelpful and
pompous boors. Rarely do you see a thread stay on topic, rarely do you
see a thread without someone sneering and passing snide comments.

Thanks for doing your part to contribute to the negative atmosphere
with this broadside.

FRAMES: Yes, there are good reasons to avoid frames. But some people still
use them. Get over it. By all means, point out the benefits of the
alternatives, and offer helpful suggestions.

We did. Did you even *read* the thread? Or simply jump at an
opportunity to vent about what you perceive as an unpleasant
atmosphere? Following is the message id of my first reply to the op:

message id: JU6Na.31247$926.2985@sccrnsc03
<url:
http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&...85%40sccrnsc03

But don't simply throw scorn at them.

Read the thread please.

TOP-POSTING: I'm afraid the etiquette varies from NG to NG, but if many
people here prefer bottom-posting or quoting, fair play to you. However,
there are pros and cons to each approach, and there are no rights and
wrongs... Personally I use all three depending on the situation. I certainly
dont intend to sample every NG I visit, and then try and remember the
preferences of each individual. Yet at least 3 people replied to this post,
to say 'We are not going to help you unless your preferences match ours!'.
While I'll defend their right to refrain from helping (petty though I think
it is), I'm bound to point out that they dont all need to shout about it.

The first message in this thread which pointed out that we don't like
TOFU posting was humorous; I saw no shouting in it. I did see a terse
response from the OP that seemed rather impolite to me. If things
devolved from there, assign blame where it's due.

I realise I'm wasting my breath here, and that nothing will change, but you
never know...

And quite frankly, I'd be tempted to go elsewhere if there were anywhere
else to go, but I guess I'm stuck here.

Poor thing.

PS. Dont bother replying. If you agree, good - keep up the good work. If you
don't, I don't care; you are not going to convince me otherwise.

I don't care that you don't want me to reply. While you might feel
otherwise, this is an open forum. We'll reply or not, your
preferences notwithstanding.

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