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Ed Mullen wrote:

Jeff wrote:
Kevin Scholl wrote:
On May 3, 1:08 pm, Ed Mullen <e... (AT) edmullen (DOT) net> wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Mark Hansen wrote:
On 05/02/09 13:54, Jeff wrote:
Mark Hansen wrote:
On 04/30/09 10:12, Kevin Scholl wrote:
On Apr 29, 7:59 pm, Gregor Kofler <use... (AT) gregorkofler (DOT) com> wrote:
shapper meinte:
I found a form that I saw a long time ago:
http://beta.ksscholl.com/jquery/form2col.html
http://beta.ksscholl.com/jquery/formvalidate.html
What do you think?
Breaks horribly, if the labels need two lines (zoom a bit...)
As the developer fo those examples, I wouldn't say "horribly", but
Then I don't think you're seeing what I'm seeing. When the labels
need two lines, they start to interfere with the other rows in
the table, such that you can't tell what the labels are or what
they are associated with.
If it's not "horrible", I don't understand the meaning of that
word :-)
Why don't you toss up a screenshot? I don't see "horribly", I see
barely at high zoom.
Jeff
Ok: <http://www.mehconsulting.com/ksscholl.jpg
Notice how the labels are indented badly and the third word for
the label is actually on the next line?
I think this looks horrible; YMMV
Perhaps SeaMonkey gets it wrong. I dunno... I know little about Sea
Monkey other than it has a market share rivaling Konquerer.
SM is based on Gecko, the same as Firefox. The page has the same
problem in FF as Mark indicated.

Interesting. I don't get the indentation in Firefox, no matter how far
I zoom...


Ditto here. Can you the OP post this up?

Jeff

I see the same problems in SeaMonkey 1.1.16 and Firefox 2.0.0.20.

Ahhh, I'm looking in FF 3.0.10.

Curious, why are you using FF2, the greatest thing, IMHO, is that FF
automatically keeps you updated with the latest version. I've assumed
that FF2 had largely been replaced by FF3 and near as I can tell, FF2 is
no longer being supported. I'm guessing FF is either not your primary
browser or there is something about FF2 you really like.

I miss, "view forms fields", but as a developer, I have to run with
the dominant version.

Jeff

Jeff wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Kevin Scholl wrote:
On May 3, 1:08 pm, Ed Mullen <e... (AT) edmullen (DOT) net> wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Mark Hansen wrote:
On 05/02/09 13:54, Jeff wrote:
Mark Hansen wrote:
On 04/30/09 10:12, Kevin Scholl wrote:
On Apr 29, 7:59 pm, Gregor Kofler <use... (AT) gregorkofler (DOT) com
wrote:
shapper meinte:
I found a form that I saw a long time ago:
http://beta.ksscholl.com/jquery/form2col.html
http://beta.ksscholl.com/jquery/formvalidate.html
What do you think?
Breaks horribly, if the labels need two lines (zoom a bit...)
As the developer fo those examples, I wouldn't say "horribly",
but
Then I don't think you're seeing what I'm seeing. When the labels
need two lines, they start to interfere with the other rows in
the table, such that you can't tell what the labels are or what
they are associated with.
If it's not "horrible", I don't understand the meaning of that
word :-)
Why don't you toss up a screenshot? I don't see "horribly", I
see
barely at high zoom.
Jeff
Ok: <http://www.mehconsulting.com/ksscholl.jpg
Notice how the labels are indented badly and the third word for
the label is actually on the next line?
I think this looks horrible; YMMV
Perhaps SeaMonkey gets it wrong. I dunno... I know little about Sea
Monkey other than it has a market share rivaling Konquerer.
SM is based on Gecko, the same as Firefox. The page has the same
problem in FF as Mark indicated.

Interesting. I don't get the indentation in Firefox, no matter how far
I zoom...


Ditto here. Can you the OP post this up?

Jeff

I see the same problems in SeaMonkey 1.1.16 and Firefox 2.0.0.20.

Ahhh, I'm looking in FF 3.0.10.

Curious, why are you using FF2, the greatest thing, IMHO, is that FF
automatically keeps you updated with the latest version. I've assumed
that FF2 had largely been replaced by FF3 and near as I can tell, FF2 is
no longer being supported. I'm guessing FF is either not your primary
browser or there is something about FF2 you really like.

I miss, "view forms fields", but as a developer, I have to run with
the dominant version.

Jeff

I use SeaMonkey as my primary browser/mail/news program. I only have FF
for testing purposes. FF3 has "broken" so many things I do in terms of
bookmarks, history etc. that I don't even bother. I may try it again
sometime.

BTW, take a look at your site stats and see how many visitors are using
FF3 vs. FF2.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
UnHallmark Card: My tire was thumping, I thought it was flat. When I
looked at the tire I noticed your cat. Sorry!

Ed Mullen wrote:

Jeff wrote:
Ed Mullen wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Kevin Scholl wrote:
On May 3, 1:08 pm, Ed Mullen <e... (AT) edmullen (DOT) net> wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Mark Hansen wrote:
On 05/02/09 13:54, Jeff wrote:
Mark Hansen wrote:
On 04/30/09 10:12, Kevin Scholl wrote:
On Apr 29, 7:59 pm, Gregor Kofler <use... (AT) gregorkofler (DOT) com
wrote:
shapper meinte:
I found a form that I saw a long time ago:
http://beta.ksscholl.com/jquery/form2col.html
http://beta.ksscholl.com/jquery/formvalidate.html
What do you think?
Breaks horribly, if the labels need two lines (zoom a bit...)
As the developer fo those examples, I wouldn't say
"horribly", but
Then I don't think you're seeing what I'm seeing. When the labels
need two lines, they start to interfere with the other rows in
the table, such that you can't tell what the labels are or what
they are associated with.
If it's not "horrible", I don't understand the meaning of that
word :-)
Why don't you toss up a screenshot? I don't see "horribly",
I see
barely at high zoom.
Jeff
Ok: <http://www.mehconsulting.com/ksscholl.jpg
Notice how the labels are indented badly and the third word for
the label is actually on the next line?
I think this looks horrible; YMMV
Perhaps SeaMonkey gets it wrong. I dunno... I know little about Sea
Monkey other than it has a market share rivaling Konquerer.
SM is based on Gecko, the same as Firefox. The page has the same
problem in FF as Mark indicated.

Interesting. I don't get the indentation in Firefox, no matter how far
I zoom...


Ditto here. Can you the OP post this up?

Jeff

I see the same problems in SeaMonkey 1.1.16 and Firefox 2.0.0.20.

Ahhh, I'm looking in FF 3.0.10.

Curious, why are you using FF2, the greatest thing, IMHO, is that FF
automatically keeps you updated with the latest version. I've assumed
that FF2 had largely been replaced by FF3 and near as I can tell, FF2
is no longer being supported. I'm guessing FF is either not your
primary browser or there is something about FF2 you really like.

I miss, "view forms fields", but as a developer, I have to run with
the dominant version.

Jeff

I use SeaMonkey as my primary browser/mail/news program. I only have FF
for testing purposes. FF3 has "broken" so many things I do in terms of
bookmarks, history etc. that I don't even bother. I may try it again
sometime.

BTW, take a look at your site stats and see how many visitors are using
FF3 vs. FF2.

I never check stats (which site?). My impression is that FF3 is
several time as large as FF2, from others published stats. Do you have
something else? If FF2 has significant share, I'll have to revisit
inline-block.

I check in IE6, IE7, FF3 and Safari and again on the Mac, Safari and
FF. Usually only IE6 and IE7 surprise me. If it's something new for me,
I may run it through BrowserShots. Usually I'm doing the same old stuff
so I don't worry. I assume most do about the same.

Jeff

Jeff wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Ed Mullen wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Kevin Scholl wrote:
On May 3, 1:08 pm, Ed Mullen <e... (AT) edmullen (DOT) net> wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Mark Hansen wrote:
On 05/02/09 13:54, Jeff wrote:
Mark Hansen wrote:
On 04/30/09 10:12, Kevin Scholl wrote:
On Apr 29, 7:59 pm, Gregor Kofler <use... (AT) gregorkofler (DOT) com
wrote:
shapper meinte:
I found a form that I saw a long time ago:
http://beta.ksscholl.com/jquery/form2col.html
http://beta.ksscholl.com/jquery/formvalidate.html
What do you think?
Breaks horribly, if the labels need two lines (zoom a bit...)
As the developer fo those examples, I wouldn't say
"horribly", but
Then I don't think you're seeing what I'm seeing. When the
labels
need two lines, they start to interfere with the other rows in
the table, such that you can't tell what the labels are or what
they are associated with.
If it's not "horrible", I don't understand the meaning of
that word :-)
Why don't you toss up a screenshot? I don't see "horribly",
I see
barely at high zoom.
Jeff
Ok: <http://www.mehconsulting.com/ksscholl.jpg
Notice how the labels are indented badly and the third word for
the label is actually on the next line?
I think this looks horrible; YMMV
Perhaps SeaMonkey gets it wrong. I dunno... I know little about
Sea
Monkey other than it has a market share rivaling Konquerer.
SM is based on Gecko, the same as Firefox. The page has the same
problem in FF as Mark indicated.

Interesting. I don't get the indentation in Firefox, no matter how
far
I zoom...


Ditto here. Can you the OP post this up?

Jeff

I see the same problems in SeaMonkey 1.1.16 and Firefox 2.0.0.20.

Ahhh, I'm looking in FF 3.0.10.

Curious, why are you using FF2, the greatest thing, IMHO, is that
FF automatically keeps you updated with the latest version. I've
assumed that FF2 had largely been replaced by FF3 and near as I can
tell, FF2 is no longer being supported. I'm guessing FF is either not
your primary browser or there is something about FF2 you really like.

I miss, "view forms fields", but as a developer, I have to run with
the dominant version.

Jeff

I use SeaMonkey as my primary browser/mail/news program. I only have
FF for testing purposes. FF3 has "broken" so many things I do in
terms of bookmarks, history etc. that I don't even bother. I may try
it again sometime.

BTW, take a look at your site stats and see how many visitors are
using FF3 vs. FF2.

I never check stats (which site?). My impression is that FF3 is
several time as large as FF2, from others published stats. Do you have
something else? If FF2 has significant share, I'll have to revisit
inline-block.

I check in IE6, IE7, FF3 and Safari and again on the Mac, Safari and
FF. Usually only IE6 and IE7 surprise me. If it's something new for me,
I may run it through BrowserShots. Usually I'm doing the same old stuff
so I don't worry. I assume most do about the same.

Jeff

Internet Explorer 6.0 4694 28.52%
Internet Explorer 7.0 3105 18.87%
Mozilla 5 1229 7.47%
Safari 577 3.51%
Firefox 2.0 359 2.18%
Internet Explorer 5.0 159 0.97%
Internet Explorer 5.5 137 0.83%

April selective stats from one of my sites. Not sure what "Mozilla"
means, perhaps FF3 is in there.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
When cheese gets it's picture taken, what does it say?

Jeff wrote:

I never check stats (which site?). My impression is that FF3 is
several time as large as FF2, from others published stats. Do you have
something else? If FF2 has significant share, I'll have to revisit
inline-block.

For the website I help administer, which has a higher-than-average
technologically-competent user base (Linux and Solaris form
approximately 3.5% of pageviews), Firefox 3 has approximately 23% usage
for the first few days of May while Firefox 2 has only approximately 2%
usage. These statistics are skewed by the fact that an overwhelming
majority of page views are internal computers, which tend to have IE 6
or possibly offer an old version of FF, so FF 2 statistics are probably
overstated compared to real world scenarios.

In short: FF 3 has at least 10 times the usage share of FF 2.

--
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not
tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth

Ed Mullen wrote:

Jeff wrote:
Ed Mullen wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Ed Mullen wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Kevin Scholl wrote:
On May 3, 1:08 pm, Ed Mullen <e... (AT) edmullen (DOT) net> wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Mark Hansen wrote:
On 05/02/09 13:54, Jeff wrote:
Mark Hansen wrote:
On 04/30/09 10:12, Kevin Scholl wrote:
On Apr 29, 7:59 pm, Gregor Kofler <use... (AT) gregorkofler (DOT) com
wrote:
shapper meinte:
I found a form that I saw a long time ago:
http://beta.ksscholl.com/jquery/form2col.html
http://beta.ksscholl.com/jquery/formvalidate.html
What do you think?
Breaks horribly, if the labels need two lines (zoom a bit...)
As the developer fo those examples, I wouldn't say
"horribly", but
Then I don't think you're seeing what I'm seeing. When the
labels
need two lines, they start to interfere with the other rows in
the table, such that you can't tell what the labels are or what
they are associated with.
If it's not "horrible", I don't understand the meaning of
that word :-)
Why don't you toss up a screenshot? I don't see
"horribly", I see
barely at high zoom.
Jeff
Ok: <http://www.mehconsulting.com/ksscholl.jpg
Notice how the labels are indented badly and the third word for
the label is actually on the next line?
I think this looks horrible; YMMV
Perhaps SeaMonkey gets it wrong. I dunno... I know little
about Sea
Monkey other than it has a market share rivaling Konquerer.
SM is based on Gecko, the same as Firefox. The page has the same
problem in FF as Mark indicated.

Interesting. I don't get the indentation in Firefox, no matter
how far
I zoom...


Ditto here. Can you the OP post this up?

Jeff

I see the same problems in SeaMonkey 1.1.16 and Firefox 2.0.0.20.

Ahhh, I'm looking in FF 3.0.10.

Curious, why are you using FF2, the greatest thing, IMHO, is that
FF automatically keeps you updated with the latest version. I've
assumed that FF2 had largely been replaced by FF3 and near as I can
tell, FF2 is no longer being supported. I'm guessing FF is either
not your primary browser or there is something about FF2 you really
like.

I miss, "view forms fields", but as a developer, I have to run
with the dominant version.

Jeff

I use SeaMonkey as my primary browser/mail/news program. I only have
FF for testing purposes. FF3 has "broken" so many things I do in
terms of bookmarks, history etc. that I don't even bother. I may try
it again sometime.

BTW, take a look at your site stats and see how many visitors are
using FF3 vs. FF2.

I never check stats (which site?). My impression is that FF3 is
several time as large as FF2, from others published stats. Do you have
something else? If FF2 has significant share, I'll have to revisit
inline-block.

I check in IE6, IE7, FF3 and Safari and again on the Mac, Safari and
FF. Usually only IE6 and IE7 surprise me. If it's something new for
me, I may run it through BrowserShots. Usually I'm doing the same old
stuff so I don't worry. I assume most do about the same.

Jeff


Internet Explorer 6.0 4694 28.52%
Internet Explorer 7.0 3105 18.87%
Mozilla 5 1229 7.47%
Safari 577 3.51%
Firefox 2.0 359 2.18%
Internet Explorer 5.0 159 0.97%
Internet Explorer 5.5 137 0.83%

April selective stats from one of my sites. Not sure what "Mozilla"
means, perhaps FF3 is in there.

Thanks.

I wonder. I remember when IE used to masquerade as Netscape... And as
Beauregard pointed out, there's a large unaccountable.

There's a relative large amount of IE5 flavors, is it margin: auto
and multiple classes that IE5 screwed up? It's been a year or so since I
moved on from supporting IE5... And I would have thought the IE6 IE7
shares would be reversed. So much for stat variability form site to site.

Jeff

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Internet Explorer 6.0 4694 28.52%
Internet Explorer 7.0 3105 18.87%
Mozilla 5 1229 7.47%
Safari 577 3.51%
Firefox 2.0 359 2.18%
Internet Explorer 5.0 159 0.97%
Internet Explorer 5.5 137 0.83%

April selective stats from one of my sites. Not sure what "Mozilla"
means, perhaps FF3 is in there.

Perhaps FF3 is the other 38% ? :-)

Well, the Yahoo robot was about 21%, Google 7%, and a slew of old Opera,
IE, Konqueror etc. in 1% or less numbers. The report lists 49 entities
and I didn't bother to add them all up to see if equals 100%. But it
looks close. ;-)

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
If electricity comes from electrons, where does morality come from?

Ed Mullen wrote:

Mozilla 5 1229 7.47%

April selective stats from one of my sites. Not sure what "Mozilla"
means, perhaps FF3 is in there.

Depends on the stats program, but Seamonkey usually identifies as
"Mozilla", maybe because it's the continuation of the mozilla suite.
Firefox should identify as itself, not mozilla.

--
Berg

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Perhaps FF3 is the other 38% ? :-)
Well, the Yahoo robot was about 21%, Google 7%, and a slew of old
Opera, IE, Konqueror etc. in 1% or less numbers. The report lists 49
entities and I didn't bother to add them all up to see if equals
100%. But it looks close. ;-)

For one of my sites (a motorcycle dealer), for April, shows this:
MSIE 55935 62.4 %
FIREFOX 19646 21.9 %
OTHERS 13929 15.5 %

About 900 of the Firefox users had version 2 or less. "Others" includes
Safari at 8.7%, Mozilla 2.1%, Opera 1.6%, Chrome 0.9%. Search engines
are not included (separate chart).

This is about what I've been hearing, with FF at about 22% even...
Safari at 9% looks right too as most Mac users prefer that.

Ed's stats look atypical, but atypical is not unusual!

I dig out some stats and post them later.

That makes me feel a lot better, particularly since I've just started
using display: inline-block to position thumbs, instead of floating
them. Still usable in FF2, but formatted wrong.

Jeff

Bergamot wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Mozilla 5 1229 7.47%

April selective stats from one of my sites. Not sure what "Mozilla"
means, perhaps FF3 is in there.

Depends on the stats program, but Seamonkey usually identifies as
"Mozilla", maybe because it's the continuation of the mozilla suite.
Firefox should identify as itself, not mozilla.

Interesting. I don't know how my hosting service's stats program works
but it sure seems odd that there is zero FF3.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
I'd rather be in Biscuit City with my banjo in my hands - Gordon Lightfoot