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Kevin Scholl wrote:

On Aug 19, 2:36 pm, "Chris Seidel" <csei... (AT) arcor (DOT) de> wrote:
Chris Seidel wrote:
jeff wrote:

Google position: fixed. Will not work in IE6 without a fix.

That's it!

Damned - does not work in IE, doesnt matter if IE6, 7 or 8.
Works fine in Firefox and Chrome.

What is the problem here?

Thank you

Google for "sticky footer".

OK this works, but I need to change all my pages to add the wrapper and
footer divs.
Why doesn't position:fixed work in IE?

Chris Seidel wrote:

Kevin Scholl wrote:
On Aug 19, 2:36 pm, "Chris Seidel" <csei... (AT) arcor (DOT) de> wrote:
Chris Seidel wrote:
jeff wrote:

Google position: fixed. Will not work in IE6 without a fix.

That's it!

Damned - does not work in IE, doesnt matter if IE6, 7 or 8.
Works fine in Firefox and Chrome.

What is the problem here?

Thank you

Google for "sticky footer".

OK this works, but I need to change all my pages to add the wrapper and
footer divs.
Why doesn't position:fixed work in IE?

Ask the MS IE development team.

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Jonathan
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Jonathan N. Little wrote:

OK this works, but I need to change all my pages to add the wrapper
and footer divs.
Why doesn't position:fixed work in IE?

Ask the MS IE development team.

I would like to know if it SHOULD work, because it is defined so in the css
specification.
Thus - is it a bug in IE or is it a feature of FF?

Chris Seidel wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:
[Chris wrote this:]
OK this works, but I need to change all my pages to add the wrapper
and footer divs.
Why doesn't position:fixed work in IE?

Ask the MS IE development team.

I would like to know if it SHOULD work, because it is defined so in
the css specification.

A. Yes, it SHOULD work.

Thus - is it a bug in IE or is it a feature of FF?

A. It is a bug^Werror by Microsoft IE development team, who doesn't
seem to care much about standards.

A2. Firefox follows standards, so no it isn't a feature. Check other
standards-compliant browsers, such as Opera.

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Chris Seidel wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

OK this works, but I need to change all my pages to add the wrapper
and footer divs.
Why doesn't position:fixed work in IE?

Ask the MS IE development team.

I would like to know if it SHOULD work, because it is defined so in the
css specification.
Thus - is it a bug in IE or is it a feature of FF?

It is supported in later IE versions, which is why I noted the need
for a fix in IE6.

Support for CSS improves, in all browsers, with time. IE tends to
lag. When you have an IE problem, you should note the IE version and
check one of the browser support tables.

http://www.quirksmode.org/css/contents.html

Note the note about position: fixed support lacking in IE5 and IE6.
Nobody cares about IE 5 anymore, but you should know what is happening
in IE6.

I tend to "normalize" IE6 with IE7 with a bit of javascript, group
regulars don't like javascript, so I am the only here that does:

http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/

Whatever you write, it should be readable with CSS and js off,
although it does not have to look right.

Jeff

jeff wrote:

Support for CSS improves, in all browsers, with time. IE tends to lag.
When you have an IE problem, you should note the IE version and check
one of the browser support tables.

Now that is an understatement! CSS2.1 been around for about 10 years, we
wouldn't want to rush into it.

http://people.usd.edu/~bwjames/humor/ms/motto.html
Microsoft Motto

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Take care,

Jonathan
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LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

jeff wrote:

Support for CSS improves, in all browsers, with time. IE tends to
lag. When you have an IE problem, you should note the IE version and
check one of the browser support tables.

Now that is an understatement! CSS2.1 been around for about 10 years, we
wouldn't want to rush into it.

Maybe if they ever finished working on the draft, we could get somewhere:

Cascading Style Sheets Level 2 Revision 1 (CSS 2.1) Specification
W3C Candidate Recommendation 23 April 2009

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/

The web has a mixed history of vendor created standards, that were
later adopted, and W3C standards that are cobbled together and supported
adhoc over time.

No browser supports everything in CSS2.1.

Jeff

http://people.usd.edu/~bwjames/humor/ms/motto.html
Microsoft Motto

jeff wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:
jeff wrote:

Support for CSS improves, in all browsers, with time. IE tends to
lag. When you have an IE problem, you should note the IE version and
check one of the browser support tables.

Now that is an understatement! CSS2.1 been around for about 10 years,
we wouldn't want to rush into it.

Maybe if they ever finished working on the draft, we could get somewhere:

Cascading Style Sheets Level 2 Revision 1 (CSS 2.1) Specification
W3C Candidate Recommendation 23 April 2009

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/

The web has a mixed history of vendor created standards, that were
later adopted, and W3C standards that are cobbled together and supported
adhoc over time.

No browser supports everything in CSS2.1.

Jeff

http://people.usd.edu/~bwjames/humor/ms/motto.html
Microsoft Motto

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

jeff wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:
jeff wrote:

Support for CSS improves, in all browsers, with time. IE tends to
lag. When you have an IE problem, you should note the IE version and
check one of the browser support tables.

Now that is an understatement! CSS2.1 been around for about 10 years,
we wouldn't want to rush into it.

Maybe if they ever finished working on the draft, we could get somewhere:

Cascading Style Sheets Level 2 Revision 1 (CSS 2.1) Specification
W3C Candidate Recommendation 23 April 2009

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/

True, but having the most widely used browser stagnate for a decade did
not help.

The web has a mixed history of vendor created standards, that were
later adopted, and W3C standards that are cobbled together and supported
adhoc over time.

No browser supports everything in CSS2.1.

True, but while they missed here and there on some of the more obscure
properties, IE until its most recent incarnation, didn't even come close
to supporting the basics...


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Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

jeff wrote:
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
jeff wrote:

Support for CSS improves, in all browsers, with time. IE tends to
lag. When you have an IE problem, you should note the IE version and
check one of the browser support tables.

Now that is an understatement! CSS2.1 been around for about 10 years,
we wouldn't want to rush into it.

Maybe if they ever finished working on the draft, we could get
somewhere:

Cascading Style Sheets Level 2 Revision 1 (CSS 2.1) Specification
W3C Candidate Recommendation 23 April 2009

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/

True, but having the most widely used browser stagnate for a decade did
not help.

I'd like to piss on Bill Gates grave as much as anyone, but they

haven't been stagnating with IE.

IE 6 was much better than IE5, IE7 is much better than IE6, and IE8 has
pretty good support all around. I code for IE7 support level and I'm
fairly happy with that. Of course, IE did set a low bar with IE5.

FireFox has had it's issues too. Netscape (4 and 6) was terrible.

Designing for the web has always been waiting for the worst browsers
to die. Anyone who doesn't believe that has never had to accommodate NS4!

The web has a mixed history of vendor created standards, that were
later adopted, and W3C standards that are cobbled together and
supported adhoc over time.

No browser supports everything in CSS2.1.


True, but while they missed here and there on some of the more obscure
properties, IE until its most recent incarnation, didn't even come close
to supporting the basics...

What is it that IE7 missed that has you so disappointed? I don't see
much in basics I want that it doesn't have. I am a little late getting
on track with some features though and maybe I'm missing something I
should be wanting! I just started using first-child and + within the
last year.

With all that said, if IE just disappeared tomorrow, I'd probably
celebrate!

Jeff
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