Font-Family

Hello,

Is there some standard way to define the fonts that are included in
each font family?

For example DW has:
Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif
"Times New Roman", Times, serif
"Courier New", Courier, monospace
Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif
Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif
Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif

I think font families tend to associate fonts of some common type ...
Am I wrong?

Is a good approahc to use the DW Font families?

Thanks,
Miguel

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Hello,

Is there some standard way to define the fonts that are included in
each font family?

Short answer: no.

For example DW has:

Dragon Warrior? Drew Industries? Deutsche Welle?

Dreamweaver perhaps.

But what should a fantasy font look like?

Anything a bit sort of weirdo, creepy, curly, hippy-incense-smelly... ?

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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, shapper wrote:

Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif
I think font families tend to associate fonts of some common type ...
Am I wrong?

You are confused. A font family consists of several fonts, usually
plain, italic, bold, bold italic. The Tahoma font family consists
of two fonts only: plain and bold. There is no italic Tahoma.
Geneva is just a single font.

Tahoma [Plain] and Tahoma Bold are *two* fonts.

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enet (AT) debranded (DOT) larseighner.com>, Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:58:27, Lars Eighner
<usenet (AT) larseighner (DOT) com> posted:

It is hard to tell what you mean. Most anyone can tell by inspection
whether a font is serif, sans-serif, or cursive. But what should a
fantasy font look like?

It is also easy to recognise monospace.

A Fantasy font is therefore easily recognised by being unrecognisable as
serif, sans-serif, cursive, or monospace.

There should be another category, to take in fonts in which the glyphs
cannot, on the whole, be recognised as representing the characters shown
for the corresponding positions in Unicode.

There ought to be other families, suited to non-Western-European
languages; it's probably unreasonable for Bengali, Urdu, Arabic, etc.,
to be mapped into serif, sans-serif, cursive, fantasy, or monospace.

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On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Dr J R Stockton wrote:

It is also easy to recognise monospace.

May a font that contains U+200B "zero-width space",
U+200C "zero-width non-joiner", U+200D "zero-width joiner"
be considered as monospaced?

Actually, this is a serious question. There is a flag for
"monospaced" in TrueType and PostScript fonts. If this flag
is missing, you cannot select such a font as monospaced font
in Internet Explorer.

Thai fonts should contain U+200B "zero width space".
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/otfntdev/thaiot/other.htm

Is there a monospaced Thai font?
Can you select any font as monospaced Thai font in
Internet Explorer?

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In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets message <Pine.LNX.4.64.090
3191712050.22426 (AT) sarge (DOT) rrzn.uni-hannover.de>, Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:24:03,
Andreas Prilop <prilop4321 (AT) trashmail (DOT) net> posted:

On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Dr J R Stockton wrote:

It is also easy to recognise monospace.

May a font that contains U+200B "zero-width space",
U+200C "zero-width non-joiner", U+200D "zero-width joiner"
be considered as monospaced?

Yes. If the major alphanumerics and the common punctuation have a
common width, then it is monospace. Characters whose name includes a
width indication only need to be of rationally-related width.

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On Mar 19, 8:06*pm, Dr J R Stockton <reply0... (AT) merlyn (DOT) demon.co.uk>
wrote:

In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheetsmessage <Pine.LNX.4.64.090
3191712050.22... (AT) sarge (DOT) rrzn.uni-hannover.de>, Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:24:03,
Andreas Prilop <prilop4... (AT) trashmail (DOT) net> posted:

On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Dr J R Stockton wrote:

It is also easy to recognise monospace.

May a font that contains U+200B "zero-width space",
U+200C "zero-width non-joiner", U+200D "zero-width joiner"
be considered as monospaced?

Yes. *If the major alphanumerics and the common punctuation have a
common width, then it is monospace. *Characters whose name includes a
width indication only need to be of rationally-related width.

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I don't know if this helps in this discussion but I have been reading
the following:
http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/BuildBetterCSSFontStacks.shtml#common-font-stacks

On Mar 19, 8:06*pm, Dr J R Stockton <reply0... (AT) merlyn (DOT) demon.co.uk>
wrote:

In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheetsmessage <Pine.LNX.4.64.090
3191712050.22... (AT) sarge (DOT) rrzn.uni-hannover.de>, Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:24:03,
Andreas Prilop <prilop4... (AT) trashmail (DOT) net> posted:

On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Dr J R Stockton wrote:

It is also easy to recognise monospace.

May a font that contains U+200B "zero-width space",
U+200C "zero-width non-joiner", U+200D "zero-width joiner"
be considered as monospaced?

Yes. *If the major alphanumerics and the common punctuation have a
common width, then it is monospace. *Characters whose name includes a
width indication only need to be of rationally-related width.

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And I think this one is interesting:
http://unitinteractive.com/blog/2008/06/26/better-css-font-stacks/

On Mar 20, 1:56*am, shapper <mdmo... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

On Mar 19, 8:06*pm, Dr J R Stockton <reply0... (AT) merlyn (DOT) demon.co.uk
wrote:



In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheetsmessage< Pine.LNX.4.64.090
3191712050.22... (AT) sarge (DOT) rrzn.uni-hannover.de>, Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:24:03,
Andreas Prilop <prilop4... (AT) trashmail (DOT) net> posted:

On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Dr J R Stockton wrote:

It is also easy to recognise monospace.

May a font that contains U+200B "zero-width space",
U+200C "zero-width non-joiner", U+200D "zero-width joiner"
be considered as monospaced?

Yes. *If the major alphanumerics and the common punctuation have a
common width, then it is monospace. *Characters whose name includes a
width indication only need to be of rationally-related width.

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And I think this one is interesting:http://unitinteractive.com/blog/2008/06/26/better-css-font-stacks/

I think this last article, http://unitinteractive.com/blog/2008/06/26/better-css-font-stacks/
, is interesting and probably what I will be using.

Thanks,
Miguel

On Mar 19, 11:24*pm, Andreas Prilop <prilop4... (AT) trashmail (DOT) net> wrote:

Is there a monospaced Thai font?
Can you select any font as monospaced Thai font in Internet Explorer?

Andreas

Courier MonoThai
http://software.thai.net/tis-620/courierthai.html

has the flag that makes it selectable as monospaced Thai in Internet
Explorer.

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