Does CSS Suck?

Harlan Messinger wrote:

Jack wrote:
Spartanicus wrote:

Like most discussions on web fora the quality of the discussion is
poor, I gave up after reading a few pages.

It's regrettable that web-forums (sick)

"Sick"?

It was meant to be an ironic reference to "fora".

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Jack.
http://www.jackpot.uk.net/

Matt wrote:

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:40:43 -0400, Harlan Messinger wrote:

Jack wrote:
Spartanicus wrote:
Like most discussions on web fora the quality of the discussion
is poor, I gave up after reading a few pages.
It's regrettable that web-forums (sick)
"Sick"?

I think he meant "sic" (TICBW).

From Wikipedia: | Sic is a Latin word meaning "thus", "so", or "just
as that". In writing, | it is italicized and placed within square
brackets — [sic] — to | indicate that an incorrect or unusual
spelling, phrase, or other | preceding quoted material is a verbatim
reproduction of the quoted | original and is not a transcription
error.

The plural of "forum" is either "fora" or "forums", Jack clearly
prefers "fora".

"Forum" is an english word; the plural is "forums". I sense that I am
being teased.

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Jack.
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Jack wrote:

Matt wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:40:43 -0400, Harlan Messinger wrote:

Jack wrote:
Spartanicus wrote:
Like most discussions on web fora the quality of the discussion
is poor, I gave up after reading a few pages.
It's regrettable that web-forums (sick)
"Sick"?

I think he meant "sic" (TICBW).

From Wikipedia: | Sic is a Latin word meaning "thus", "so", or "just
as that". In writing, | it is italicized and placed within square
brackets — [sic] — to | indicate that an incorrect or unusual
spelling, phrase, or other | preceding quoted material is a verbatim
reproduction of the quoted | original and is not a transcription
error.

The plural of "forum" is either "fora" or "forums", Jack clearly
prefers "fora".

"Forum" is an english word; the plural is "forums". I sense that I am
being teased.

"Fora" is also recognized by the on-line Merriam-Webster and American
Heritage dictionaries.

Alan J. Flavell wrote:

Nevertheless: if one doesn't fool around with over-complex HTML and
CSS, it's usually feasible to design *for* a web-compatible browser,
and not need to change too much to get it displayed acceptably with
IE6, at least.

Yes, but the majority I was speaking of don't understand HTML or CSS,
so they use "WYSIWYG" tools that DO generate over-complex HTML and
often embed the same CSS commands over and over and over.

It wouldn't satisfy the pixel-exact DTP freaks - but they don't
understand designing for the web, anyway.

Well, the website I'm responsible for wouldn't satisfy
the purists (it uses a table for that part of the formatting
that isn't portable in CSS). But it's simple and maintainable
and looks almost the same on every browser. It's not "designed
for the web" in the way I think you mean, but I didn't design it.

(I RE-designed it to be simple and maintainable--it was
most unpleasant under the hood--while trying to keep the
look they had already approved.)

I have some ideas on ways I might make it better, while still
keeping the owners happy, but time is limited.

--
Wes Groleau
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It's regrettable that web-forums (sick)

"Sick"?

It was meant to be an ironic reference to "fora".

Sick is what you become with overexposure to web-flora.

--
Wes Groleau

Always listen to experts. They'll tell you
what can't be done and why. Then do it.
-- Robert A. Heinlein

On 8/1/06 11:03 AM, in article eao50b$658$3$8300dec7 (AT) news (DOT) demon.co.uk,
"Jack" <mrdemeanour (AT) nospam (DOT) jackpot.uk.net> wrote:

"Forum" is an english word; the plural is "forums". I sense that I am
being teased.

From http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=forum

Forum

1460, "place of assembly in ancient Rome," from L[atin] forum "marketplace"
apparently akin to foris, foras "out of doors, outside." Sense of "assembly,
place for public discussion" first recorded 1690.

Since this English word comes from a Latin word, the Latin plural -- fora --
is technically correct.

Then again, nobody ever said English (especially the Usenet dialect) was
"technically correct" -- if it were, we would say "octopodes" instead of
"octopuses".

I could go on and on ... but I won't.

Kurtis
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times. Not a flotation device.

pretty dumb thing to say considering 9 out of 10 posts here sound like "it
works in IE but not FF"

people like you use firefox because somewhere along the line you were told
microsoft is bad... theyre taking over the world... bill gates is satan....
everything should be free and open source.

thats ridiculous.

firefox is what happens when you dont have a highly paid QA department. a
browser with more bugs and flaws than IE ever had



"axlq" <axlq (AT) spamcop (DOT) net> wrote

In article <yjczg.31445$Cn6.6546 (AT) tornado (DOT) texas.rr.com>,
Bill Norton <bnorton (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com> wrote:
The upshot of it all is that there seem to be a lot of people - myself
included - who feel that CSS is seriously flawed, maybe even fatally
flawed.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.

CSS isn't flawed, and it doesn't suck. What sucks is Microsoft's
implementation of it. That alone is *the* cause of *my* grief
concerning CSS. If nobody ever used IE for browsing again, CSS
would be a beautiful thing to use. But with IE around, it becomes a
mess of ugly hacks.

-A

another genius

"TomB" <tommy.bongaerts (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

axlq wrote:

CSS isn't flawed, and it doesn't suck. What sucks is Microsoft's
implementation of it. That alone is *the* cause of *my* grief
concerning CSS. If nobody ever used IE for browsing again, CSS
would be a beautiful thing to use. But with IE around, it becomes a
mess of ugly hacks.

Then don't use the hacks. Ignore the fact that IE users can't see your
page properly. If everyone would do that, eventually people will get
sick and tired of that shitty piece of software and use the
alternatives.

What a wonderful world :-)

Santos L Halper wrote:

pretty dumb thing to say considering 9 out of 10 posts here sound like "it
works in IE but not FF"

Maybe because 9 out 10 people haven't a clue of what they are really doing.

people like you use firefox because somewhere along the line you were told
microsoft is bad... theyre taking over the world... bill gates is satan....
everything should be free and open source.

I would venture to say that most of us that use Firefox do so because
it's a superior browser that supports the W3C standards FAR better than IE.

thats ridiculous.

I couldn't care less what company produces Internet Explorer, or who
runs that company. What I DO care about is a browser that works the way
it should, and in that regard, IE is vastly inferior.

firefox is what happens when you dont have a highly paid QA department. a
browser with more bugs and flaws than IE ever had

I think you mistyped that statement ... should read "Internet Explorer
is what happens when you dont [sic] have an apathetic QA department."

Think about it: would you rather have the power of a multitude of actual
users in the real world providing feedback, or a small group of cube
inhabitants who get paid regardless of the quality aspect of their
Quality Assurance?

"axlq" <axlq (AT) spamcop (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:eak59u$vrg$1 (AT) blue (DOT) rahul.net...

CSS isn't flawed, and it doesn't suck. What sucks is Microsoft's
implementation of it. That alone is *the* cause of *my* grief
concerning CSS. If nobody ever used IE for browsing again, CSS
would be a beautiful thing to use. But with IE around, it becomes a
mess of ugly hacks.

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