Are CSS over ???

David Dorward wrote:

Mark Parnell wrote:

Now, my friend "programming genius i know it all"...was he a
lunatic that should stay in his Delphi World,

Aren't all programmers lunatics? :-P

I'm not! Well, except at the full moon.

isn't that the definition?

;o)

--
William Tasso - http://WilliamTasso.com

William Tasso wrote:

Aren't all programmers lunatics? :-P

I'm not! Well, except at the full moon.

isn't that the definition?

Damn, someone noticed.

--
David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/

On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:35:04 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch
<erik (AT) despam-funkenbusch (DOT) com> wrote:

CSS is not dead, nor is it going to be dead.

Agreed.

HTML is dying. HTML 4.01 is the last version of HTML, it will be replaced
with XHTML,

That's doubtful. Consider how long it is taking to replace HTML tag soup
with HTML 4 - even though there are very good reasons for doing so. How
long is it then going to take to replace HTML with XHTML, given that
there are hardly any reasons for doing so?

I think HTML will still be around for a very long time.

--
Stephen Poley

http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/

Erik Funkenbusch wrote:

HTML is dying. HTML 4.01 is the last version of HTML, it will be replaced
with XHTML, though CSS will still be used with it.

XHTML is just HTML formatted as XML. HTML defines the functionality
(forms, image/object maps, etc.) which XHTML should do, too.

--
Stanimir

On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:56:20 GMT, "hholidayy" <hholidayy (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

So I started self-learning CSS, about a week ago
Today, while I was studying my CSS book at work...a programmer from my firm
said to me...

" What the hell are you doing....CSS !!!, those are over, you're loosing
your time! You should learn XML and XSL, that's the new thing !!!!!"

You're programmer doesn't know what he/she is talking about.

So I started self-learning CSS, about a week ago
Today, while I was studying my CSS book at work...a programmer from my firm
said to me...

" What the hell are you doing....CSS !!!, those are over, you're loosing
your time! You should learn XML and XSL, that's the new thing !!!!!"
To play Devil's Advocate (since I work with some programming lunatics

myself), perhaps what he meant was the "new thing" part. As is "CSS is
a well-known language, but learning XML/XSL will set you apart since it
is a fairly new technology and will open doors for you", like knowing
ASP in 1997.

That said, learn CSS inside and out since it is very powerful when used
correctly (check out http://www.csszengarden.com for an example). I
don't know XSL, but I imagine CSS would be a good groundwork.

Finally, developers tend to be on the cutting edge and can't understand
why everyone else isn't. For example, way back in 1999 some developers
I knew *insisted* that *no one* used Netscape 4.7 anymore, all screens
were at least 1024 x 768, and nobody used dial-up (and any one who
didn't fit this criteria was worth losing as a customer). Guys I know
today develop sites that only work properly in Mozilla b/c that's what
everyone *should* use.

Welcome to our wacky, inside-out world.

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:11:46 +0200, Stephen Poley wrote:

HTML is dying. HTML 4.01 is the last version of HTML, it will be replaced
with XHTML,

That's doubtful. Consider how long it is taking to replace HTML tag soup
with HTML 4 - even though there are very good reasons for doing so. How
long is it then going to take to replace HTML with XHTML, given that
there are hardly any reasons for doing so?

I think HTML will still be around for a very long time.

I didn't say it's death wouldn't be long and drawn out

Indeed, HTML will be viable for many years to come, but XHTML is where
things are going.

Eroom Tam wrote:

Guys I know today develop sites that only work properly in Mozilla b/c
that's what everyone *should* use.

My site only works properly in Mozilla... but it still works in just about
every browser out there.

Mozilla can do things that no other browser can, that's no reason to avoid
using those features if they have no side effects in weaker browsers.

--
David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/

David Dorward wrote:

Eroom Tam wrote:


Guys I know today develop sites that only work properly in Mozilla b/c
that's what everyone *should* use.


My site only works properly in Mozilla... but it still works in just about
every browser out there.

Mozilla can do things that no other browser can, that's no reason to avoid
using those features if they have no side effects in weaker browsers.
Gracefully degrading on older (and less capable) browsers in fine (and,

in fact, recommended and a hell of a talent to have). To code to one and
only one browser and ignore the reprecussions on other browsers because
you feel it is what everyone should use is another.

Thank you all for you help

You confirmed my believes and reassured me
At least I know now that I'm not loosing my time learning CSS

(BTW: The HTML book I finished was actually a HTML/XHTML book, so at least
my base is ok)

You were very helpful

Thanks again

Ray