Critique CSS layout (issues addressed)

I have addressed most of the issues listed in the responses to my last post
"Critique CSS layout (1st go - fingers crossed)". I'm rapt with the progress
I have made, thanks to all for your past critiques.

http://www.limelightstudio.com.au/iss/8/

The issues addressed:

- Nav uses <li> now
- No horizontal scroll in IE6 at 850-900 pixels
- Nav area not fixed, fluid now
- Added <h#> markup to replace <div>
- Changed CAPS
- Darker body text
- Changed footer layout & colour
- Made nav links different on hover
- Mis-alignment of banner in Opera

It's amazing how much easier CSS layout is when using the correct <h#>
markup....

Note: Links don't go anywhere. Font size has remained the same.

lime wrote:

http://www.limelightstudio.com.au/iss/8/

Why do you waste about 20% if my canvas, on the right hand side. Surely the
text could wrap near the right hand side of my window?

--
Cheers
Richard.

"rf" <rf@.invalid> wrote:

lime wrote:

http://www.limelightstudio.com.au/iss/8/

Why do you waste about 20% if my canvas, on the right hand side. Surely the
text could wrap near the right hand side of my window?

Limiting the length of a line is not unreasonable. Depending of the
size of the font, the outline of the font, the line height, the
inter-word spacing and the font-stretch, there is a point when lines
get too long for good readability.

You won't find a text printed with a 8pt ultra-condensed font with 1ex
line height on A4 landscape very readable, won't you?

Whether the line width chosen by lime is sensible, is
debatable. First of all, it is not dependant on the font
size. Someone with bad eyesight, who has overridden the font sizes to
something larger, will find it to short.

A better way would be something in the lines of
http://www.uni-koeln.de/~agr30/iss/l...om.auiss8.html

(tested in Opera and Firefox). You can zoom in and out without
destroying to layout (ctrl + Num+ and Num- in Firefox). Maybe lime can
consider something in these lines and reconsider to not touch the
fontsize for the content. Using s smaller size for things like the
page footer is OK, IMHO.

I too find many websites having too small a fontsize. Thanks god,
Opera allows to set a minimum fontsize that can not be overridden by
css (mine is set to 14px, which is also the 100% fontsize I configured).

Bye,
Martin

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:32:43 GMT, rf <rf@.invalid> wrote:

lime wrote:

http://www.limelightstudio.com.au/iss/8/

Why do you waste about 20% if my canvas, on the right hand side. Surely
the text could wrap near the right hand side of my window?

Easy reading? I don't mind at all. Depends a lot on your window size I
suppose, but full length text isn't always a good thing...

Maybe adding:

min-width: 30em;

to the rules for #mmhidemiddlebox might be nice.

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It can absorb as much time as is required to ensure that you
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"Rijk van Geijtenbeek" <rijk (AT) operaremovethiz (DOT) com> wrote:

Why do you waste about 20% if my canvas, on the right hand side. Surely
the text could wrap near the right hand side of my window?

Easy reading? I don't mind at all. Depends a lot on your window size I
suppose, but full length text isn't always a good thing...

Maybe adding:

min-width: 30em;

to the rules for #mmhidemiddlebox might be nice.

Let users determine for themselves what length of text they are
comfortable with, don't impose your preferences on others.

Btw, min-width isn't going to work for limiting width.

--
Spartanicus

"rf" wrote in message ...

lime wrote:

http://www.limelightstudio.com.au/iss/8/

Why do you waste about 20% if my canvas, on the right hand side. Surely
the
text could wrap near the right hand side of my window?

For you it may be wastage (such a pessimist aren't you ;o)) for me it was
limiting the length of text for readability.

"Martin Bialasinski" wrote in message ...

lime wrote:

http://www.limelightstudio.com.au/iss/8/

A better way would be something in the lines of
http://www.uni-koeln.de/~agr30/iss/l...om.auiss8.html

(tested in Opera and Firefox). You can zoom in and out without
destroying to layout (ctrl + Num+ and Num- in Firefox). Maybe lime can
consider something in these lines and reconsider to not touch the
fontsize for the content. Using s smaller size for things like the
page footer is OK, IMHO.

Hi Martin, thanks for your effort. I've saved the CSS you've created to have
a more detailed look later on to learn what you have done there.

I agree about the footer text - leaving that smaller and I will do a version
with 100% body text too.

I too find many websites having too small a fontsize. Thanks god,
Opera allows to set a minimum fontsize that can not be overridden by
css (mine is set to 14px, which is also the 100% fontsize I configured).

Bye,
Martin

"Rijk van Geijtenbeek" wrote in message...

rf wrote:

lime wrote:

http://www.limelightstudio.com.au/iss/8/

Why do you waste about 20% if my canvas, on the right hand side. Surely
the text could wrap near the right hand side of my window?

Easy reading? I don't mind at all. Depends a lot on your window size I
suppose, but full length text isn't always a good thing...

Maybe adding:

min-width: 30em;

to the rules for #mmhidemiddlebox might be nice.

I will give that a go as well (I think that's what Martin did in his version
of the page too)

Brian wrote:

brucie wrote:
in short: piss off.
Right back at you.

Brian, brucie; brucie, Brian.

(This should be fun...)

*brucie*<shit (AT) usenetshit (DOT) info>:

In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets Brian said:

Let users determine for themselves what length of text they are
comfortable with, don't impose your preferences on others.

Users shouldn't be forced to resize their window to get a comfortable
line length when authors can make a suggestion.

ACK, after all knowledgable people can overwrite the 'max-width'
*suggestion* in their user stylesheet.

in short: piss off.

In short: stop being such a wuss! (What? I'm just adjusting to his level
of discussion.)

i know what length i'm comfortable reading.

Which is that?

stop trying to force what you think is best on me.

'max-width' with a reasonable high value in 'em' or 'ex' is not really
forcing.

everyone is an individual with their own individual preferences

So you don't believe in ergonomy studies at all? They tell us there's a
maximum useful line width, depending on certain other typographic
properties.

and this media can easily accommodate all of them.

Even with the default font-size, you cannot control line length with the
window width alone and that is all the usual (or even slightly advanced)
browser user can do about it. For really advanced users there's
'!important', like I said above.

get out of your print media mentality of one size must fit all.

You are really overreacting.

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"Some people say I am a terrible person,
I'm not, I have the heart of a young boy,
in a jar, on my desk."
Stephen King