comments and constructive criticism wanted

#1

http://www.nenya.be/41229-1/cal.htm

(Only the calendar navigation links work)

#2

"steven" <stevenPANTSvh (AT) pandora (DOT) be> wrote:

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http://www.nenya.be/41229-1/cal.htm

Comments on html only since no link to the css file was provided.

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Oh dear! The calendar is written in Javascript, but you don't seem to have Javascript enabled in your browser.

1) Don't you think I know that? This message is also displayed when js
*is* available, not smart.
2) It breaks when zooming text.
3) The file size of bg2.png is to big.
4) Microfonts
5) Div soup, use semantic markup instead
6) Inline css, externalize it
7) Incorrect usage of definition lists
8)   use css margins or padding instead
9) <div class="clr"></div>, no need for that, set the clear property on
the next needed block level element
10) Incorrect alt content on images
11) Inappropriate usage of the title attribute on images

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#3

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:54:52 GMT, steven <stevenPANTSvh (AT) pandora (DOT) be> wrote:

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http://www.nenya.be/41229-1/cal.htm

Read back for about a week of posts in this group and in alt.html,
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html, fix the obvious mistakes in your
design (fixed width, javascript dependent, microfonts et cetera). If you
do that and come back here with some serious design, I'll take some
serious time to have a more serious look.

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#4

"Barbara de Zoete" <b_de_zoete (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:54:52 GMT, steven <stevenPANTSvh (AT) pandora (DOT) be> wrote:

http://www.nenya.be/41229-1/cal.htm

Read back for about a week of posts in this group and in alt.html,
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html,

I was hoping for some more concrete comments. Re-reading a week of posts
could take another week. :-(

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fix the obvious mistakes in your
design (fixed width, javascript dependent, microfonts et cetera). If you

mistakes? Fixed width is not an error, nor is it illegal. It's a *choice*.
If you don't like it, I'd rather like you to say so than to call it a
mistake.
Same for javascript. BTW, I don't understand the hysterics javascript seems
to cause. We all know you'll burn in hell if you use frames, but if you use
javascript your punishment will be even worse, like getting a Neil Diamond
CD :-)
What's the problem with the font? On my Win2K system it's the same size as
standard Windows text like menus.

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do that and come back here with some serious design, I'll take some
serious time to have a more serious look.

By serious design do you mean serious styling or serious coding?

Toch bedankt

Steven

#5

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:50:35 GMT, steven <stevenPANTSvh (AT) pandora (DOT) be> wrote:

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"Barbara de Zoete" <b_de_zoete (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news

psjti7nwrx5vgts (AT) zoete_b (DOT) ..

[snip]

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Read back for about a week of posts in this group and in alt.html,
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html,

I was hoping for some more concrete comments. Re-reading a week of posts
could take another week. :-(

Most of the things that have been commented upon have been discussed at
length in the past. Why should they discussed in detail again?

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Mike

Please don't multi-post.
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#6

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:50:35 GMT, steven <stevenPANTSvh (AT) pandora (DOT) be> wrote:

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"Barbara de Zoete" <b_de_zoete (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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psjti7nwrx5vgts (AT) zoete_b (DOT) ..
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:54:52 GMT, steven <stevenPANTSvh (AT) pandora (DOT) be
wrote:

http://www.nenya.be/41229-1/cal.htm

Read back for about a week of posts in this group and in alt.html,
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html,

I was hoping for some more concrete comments. Re-reading a week of posts
could take another week. :-(

So, you want the other participants to spend time with your design, where
you're not really prepared to do the obvious (something that will cost
_you_ time instead).

BTW: it shouldn't take you a week if you use google-groups to search and
scan through the ng's with appropriate keywords:

- microfonts:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?meta=group%3Dcomp.infosystems.www.authoring .%2A&scoring=d&q=microfonts>
- fluid OR liquid design OR fixed width design:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?meta=group%3Dcomp.infosystems.www.authoring .%2A&scoring=d&q=fixed+width+design>
<http://groups.google.com/groups?meta=group%3Dcomp.infosystems.www.authoring .%2A&scoring=d&q=%22liquid+design%22+OR+%22fluid+d esign%22>
- optional javascript OR css:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?meta=group%3Dcomp.infosystems.www.authoring .%2A&scoring=d&q=optional+javascript+OR+css>

I'm sure you can think of some more search strings to utilise yourself.

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#7

"Spartanicus" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote

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"steven" <stevenPANTSvh (AT) pandora (DOT) be> wrote:

http://www.nenya.be/41229-1/cal.htm

Comments on html only since no link to the css file was provided.

Oh dear! The calendar is written in Javascript, but you don't seem to
have Javascript enabled in your browser.

1) Don't you think I know that? This message is also displayed when js
*is* available, not smart.

Well, I thought it would be useful to know *why* there's no calendar. Note
that I don't tell the user to enable javascript.
With js enabled, do you mean the message is still visible when the calendar
has been written?

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2) It breaks when zooming text.

Can you be more specific? Screenshot? I think It behaves quite well when I
zoom in twice in FF 1. Doesn't every design break down if you zoom too much?

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3) The file size of bg2.png is to big.

Fixed (jpg instead of png)

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4) Microfonts

That's what Barbara also said. Which text is too small? Or does it all look
too small compared to the calendar text?

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5) Div soup, use semantic markup instead

Yes, I realise I'll have to clean that up.

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6) Inline css, externalize it

Is it OK to use internal stylesheets? I admit that some css better be moved
to generic.css.

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7) Incorrect usage of definition lists

OK, I'll check with w3schools.

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8)   use css margins or padding instead

Fixed.
I thought it would be rather expensive, but it's OK.

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9) <div class="clr"></div>, no need for that, set the clear property on
the next needed block level element

Fixed (yeah, that was pretty daft)

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10) Incorrect alt content on images

From w3schools: ' The "alt" attribute tells the reader what he or she is
missing on a page if the browser can't load images. The browser will then
display the alternate text instead of the image. '
Isn't that how I used it?

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11) Inappropriate usage of the title attribute on images

Again from w3schools:

If you use the alt attribute in Firefox on images and image maps
the text will not show on mouse-over as in other browsers.
Firefox uses the alt attribute the way it's meant to be used, like an
alternative text if the image won't load, not as a mouse-over text.

Firefox does support mouse-over comments on images or image maps if you use
a title attribute in the <img> tag.

E.g. <img src="image.gif" alt="bla" title="bla bla bla"

#8

Sorry, that stupid <ctrl><enter> :-)

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11) Inappropriate usage of the title attribute on images

Fixed.

Thanks for your time.
Steven

#9

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004, steven wrote:

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"Barbara de Zoete" <b_de_zoete (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message

Read back for about a week of posts in this group and in alt.html,
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html,

I was hoping for some more concrete comments.

Concrete comment: "not worthy of further study".

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Re-reading a week of posts could take another week. :-(

Your application for fast-track entry into the killfile has been
approved.

HAND.

#10

"Alan J. Flavell" <flavell (AT) ph (DOT) gla.ac.uk> wrote

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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004, steven wrote:

"Barbara de Zoete" <b_de_zoete (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message

Read back for about a week of posts in this group and in alt.html,
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html,

I was hoping for some more concrete comments.

Concrete comment: "not worthy of further study".

Re-reading a week of posts could take another week. :-(

Your application for fast-track entry into the killfile has been
approved.

HAND.

HAND. Yeah, right.
I politely ask a question, willing to listen to your answers and prepared to
correct issues.
And now I get flamed because I'm not enthousiastic to read through 3290
posts (*) to find the answer.
I *do* browse ciwas from time to time, but I can't read or remember
everything, esp. when I try to visit a few other NGs too.
I don't mind the killfile though.

I did appreciate Spartanicus' reply particularly: most of his remarks are
detailed enough to allow me to reconsider and correct things. And he didn't
need to flame me either. Thanks for your help, Spartanicus.

Steven

(*) number of ciwas posts currently cached on my provider's news server