Can a numbered list start at something > 1?

On 19 Dec, 15:17, Michael Fesser <neti... (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote:

.oO(Dave Rado)

My original question really was asking *how* to remove the bullets
with css, especially if you are also using real bullets in the same
website.

'list-style-type'http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#list-style

Micha

Hi Michael

That seems to work in Firefox but not in IE, when I try it. In my css
file, I have:

ul.numbering { list-style-type: none; list-style: none;}

In my web page I have:

<ul class="numbering">
<li>test</li>
</ul>

In IE (but not in Firefox), the bullets are still displayed. Am I
missing something out?

Dave

On 19 Dec, 16:30, Dave Rado <dave.r... (AT) dsl (DOT) pipex.com> wrote:

On 19 Dec, 15:17, Michael Fesser <neti... (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote:

.oO(Dave Rado)

My original question really was asking *how* to remove the bullets
with css, especially if you are also using real bullets in the same
website.

'list-style-type'http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#list-style

Micha

Hi Michael

That seems to work in Firefox but not in IE, when I try it. In my css
file, I have:

ul.numbering { list-style-type: none; list-style: none;}

In my web page I have:

ul class="numbering"
li>test</li
/ul

In IE (but not in Firefox), the bullets are still displayed. Am I
missing something out?

Dave

Just so you can see what I've done (wrong?), I've uploaded a mock-up
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/2b2uww">here</a>. The css file is <a
href="http://tinyurl.com/26v5gh">here</a>.

Dave

Dave Rado <dave.rado (AT) dsl (DOT) pipex.com> writes:

On 19 Dec, 15:17, Michael Fesser <neti... (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote:
.oO(Dave Rado)

My original question really was asking *how* to remove the bullets
with css, especially if you are also using real bullets in the same
website.

'list-style-type'http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#list-style

Micha

Hi Michael

That seems to work in Firefox but not in IE, when I try it. In my css
file, I have:

ul.numbering { list-style-type: none; list-style: none;}

In my web page I have:

ul class="numbering"
li>test</li
/ul

In IE (but not in Firefox), the bullets are still displayed. Am I
missing something out?

DOCTYPE? Quirks mode probably. There's not enough
information in what you've posted above to diagnose the
problem.

--
Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fairbairn (AT) cl (DOT) cam.ac.uk

On 19 Dec, 15:17, Michael Fesser <neti... (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote:

.oO(Dave Rado)

My original question really was asking *how* to remove the bullets
with css, especially if you are also using real bullets in the same
website.

'list-style-type'http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#list-style

Micha

Hi again Michael

(I'm reposting this reply because my previous attempt at posting it
seems to have got lost in the ether for some reason). Just so you can
see what I'm doing (wrong?), I've uploaded a mock-up of my attempt at
implementing your suggestion, <a href="http://tinyurl.com/
2b2uww">here</a>; and the stylesheet it's using is <a href="http://
tinyurl.com/26v5gh">here</a>. In my mock-up, the bullets are
suppressed in Firefox but not in IE.

Dave

On 19 Dec, 18:12, Jon Fairbairn <jon.fairba... (AT) cl (DOT) cam.ac.uk> wrote:

Dave Rado <dave.r... (AT) dsl (DOT) pipex.com> writes:
On 19 Dec, 15:17, Michael Fesser <neti... (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote:
.oO(Dave Rado)

My original question really was asking *how* to remove the bullets
with css, especially if you are also using real bullets in the same
website.

'list-style-type'http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#list-style

Micha

Hi Michael

That seems to work in Firefox but not in IE, when I try it. In my css
file, I have:

ul.numbering { list-style-type: none; list-style: none;}

In my web page I have:

ul class="numbering"
li>test</li
/ul

In IE (but not in Firefox), the bullets are still displayed. Am I
missing something out?

DOCTYPE? Quirks mode probably. There's not enough
information in what you've posted above to diagnose the
problem.

--
Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fairba... (AT) cl (DOT) cam.ac.uk

Hi Jon

See my mock-up and stylesheet in post 14.

Dave

Dave Rado <dave.rado (AT) dsl (DOT) pipex.com> writes:

In IE (but not in Firefox), the bullets are still displayed. Am I
missing something out?

DOCTYPE? Quirks mode probably. There's not enough
information in what you've posted above to diagnose the
problem.

See my mock-up and stylesheet in post 14.

Um, you do realise that the numbers on the posts are
relative to what server you are getting your news from and
what you read last time you looked?

Anyhow, the page at <http://tinyurl.com/2b2uww> (in post 36
where I'm looking at it) has no DOCTYPE declaration, so IE
will go into quirks mode. Google for DOCTYPE and "quirks
mode". Essentially, without a doctype, IE won't even
attempt to follow standard behavior.

--
Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fairbairn (AT) cl (DOT) cam.ac.uk

..oO(Dave Rado)

(I'm reposting this reply because my previous attempt at posting it
seems to have got lost in the ether for some reason). Just so you can
see what I'm doing (wrong?), I've uploaded a mock-up of my attempt at
implementing your suggestion, <a href="http://tinyurl.com/
2b2uww">here</a>; and the stylesheet it's using is <a href="http://
tinyurl.com/26v5gh">here</a>. In my mock-up, the bullets are
suppressed in Firefox but not in IE.

First you should add a proper document type declaration. Without one the
page will be rendered in quirks mode in most browsers, where all kinds
of strange things may happen.

Then you could try to apply the 'list-style' property to the 'li'
elements instead of the 'ul'. It should work both ways since 'list-
style' is inherited, but you never know what IE makes of it ...

Additionally you don't need both 'list-style-type' and 'list-style' -
the second is a just shorthand property and already contains/sets the
first one.

Micha

Dave Rado wrote:

In my web page I have:

ul class="numbering"
li>test</li
/ul

In IE (but not in Firefox), the bullets are still displayed.

I've uploaded a mock-up
http://tinyurl.com/2b2uww

Don't take this personally, but that's some ugly code you've got there.
I didn't even try to weed through your CSS. All I will say is that IE
handles margins and padding on lists differently than Firefox.

Why don't you go for something simpler, and drop the legacy cruft?

http://www.bergamotus.ws/samples/daverado.html

--
Berg

On 20 Dec, 12:26, Bergamot <berga... (AT) visi (DOT) com> wrote:

Dave Rado wrote:

In my web page I have:

ul class="numbering"
li>test</li
/ul

In IE (but not in Firefox), the bullets are still displayed.

I've uploaded a mock-up
http://tinyurl.com/2b2uww

Don't take this personally, but that's some ugly code you've got there.
I didn't even try to weed through your CSS. All I will say is that IE
handles margins and padding on lists differently than Firefox.

Why don't you go for something simpler, and drop the legacy cruft?

http://www.bergamotus.ws/samples/daverado.html

--
Berg

Hi Berg

Sorry for the delayed reply - I've been offline for a few days.

With regard to the "bulletless bullets", I get the same problem with
your code as with my own - if the ul style uses a graphical bullet
then so does <ul class="numbering">, when viewed in IE - IE seems to
ignore the "list-style: none" definition for the latter. See
http://tinyurl.com/299sjq, which uses your code but my stylesheet.

With regards to your <div class="wrapper"> suggestion, I get the same
problem with it as with Jonathan's "box" - I need the simulated
"document page" to have a fixed width and I can't see any way to
achieve that with your method - is it possible?

Dave

Hi Jon

Sorry for the delayed reply - I've been offline for a few days.

On 19 Dec, 18:27, Jon Fairbairn <jon.fairba... (AT) cl (DOT) cam.ac.uk> wrote:

Dave Rado <dave.r... (AT) dsl (DOT) pipex.com> writes:
In IE (but not in Firefox), the bullets are still displayed. Am I
missing something out?

DOCTYPE? Quirks mode probably. There's not enough
information in what you've posted above to diagnose the
problem.
See my mock-up and stylesheet in post 14.

Um, you do realise that the numbers on the posts are
relative to what server you are getting your news from and
what you read last time you looked?

Sorry I forgot this was the usenet - I'm more used to posting in web-
only newsgroups these days.

Anyhow, the page at <http://tinyurl.com/2b2uww> (in post 36
where I'm looking at it) has no DOCTYPE declaration, so IE
will go into quirks mode. Google for DOCTYPE and "quirks
mode". Essentially, without a doctype, IE won't even
attempt to follow standard behavior.

I've added a DOCTYPE declaration now, but I still get the same
problem when the page is viewed in IE.

Dave