Browser mouse pointer location?

In article <1d2ch3l4blcuprjh2b0ugkd5kg3i00lct7 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
CMC <cmconrad (AT) eastlink (DOT) ca> wrote:

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:23:33 +0100, Steve Swift
Steve.J.Swift (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html

This page needs some work. When I pressed the refresh button in
Firefox the image disappeared and all I got was a line saying "You
need images turned on to see this page" which is your alt tag. Alt
tags are used to describe what the image is, not what you need to have
turned on to see the image. Image you are visually impaired and you
are on the page and the page reader says "Alt You need images turned
on to see this page" that doesn't tell me jack about what you are
seeing on the page.

Just something to think about.

Indeed, but not quite "Alt tags are used to describe what the
image is...". Rather, alt tags are meant to replace images, or
stand in their stead. Sometimes, I am sure, descriptions are not
bad things to replace them with. But there are all sorts of
issues and subtleties. Mr Jukka Korpela has outlined many of them
in his excellent writings on this. They are, in fact, enormously
complicated and made so by the very varied purposes which people
have for the use of pictures (from the illustrations by Einstein
in popular writings to the little drawings in Breakfast of
Champions by Kurt Vonnegut to icons for turning a page to ...
well, you name it)

But I will go into one small issue. Imagine a picture that is
used in a text to trigger a mood in the reader's brain, to set
the imagination in the direction the author wants.

Now you could just describe the picture itself in an alt and
achieve your aim. "Clouds hanging low above a black sea, the
whole lit by the silvery moon..." Unfortunately, you have very
severe limitations of space in alt text. The whole business of
alt text is quite imperfect, a rough rough tool... I am
abstracting here from the severe limitations.

The receiving brain might thus be caused to get the desired mood.
However it might be better altogether to use words that have
nothing to do with the picture but are still suitable to cause
the mood wanted. Pictures and descriptions of pictures are not
always easily interchangeable in their causal powers.

It is simply not an area so well defined that people can talk too
confidently about it all. I should know, I continue to take 2
alt-text pills a day and still I approach the subject with the
greatest humility.

--
dorayme

This is absolutely classical! May I use it in a little hobby
project of mine to show the wrong tendency to be concerned with
pixel perfection in web design?

By all means, but with one caveat. My fee is that you agree visit my
pages and offer fixes when things which should theoretically align
vertically, or horizontally (as text in tables does, for example, in
simple cases) fail to do so.

You would not qualify for any monetary rewards that I may be offering
for such fixes or any other special offers which appear from time to
time on my websites.

For my part, I will undertake to place samples of the pages on a public
website where you may access them. I'll see if the domain name
"higgledy-piggledy" is available, or is that yours?

Do we have an agreement?

--
Steve Swift
http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html
http://www.ringers.org.uk

"Steve Swift" <Steve.J.Swift (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

This is absolutely classical! May I use it in a little hobby project of
mine to show the wrong tendency to be concerned with pixel perfection in
web design?

For my part, I will undertake to place samples of the pages on a public
website where you may access them. I'll see if the domain name
"higgledy-piggledy" is available, or is that yours?

Please do so. I for one would like to see one of these pages that absolutely
must be pixel perfect. I take great enjoyment in breaking such pages with a
simple Ctrl Mousewheel :-)

--
Richard.

For this, use firefox + webdeveloper and
WebDeveloper=>Miscellaneous=>Display Line Guides

Ah, the perfect tool for the job, thank you!

--
Steve Swift
http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html
http://www.ringers.org.uk

In article <4718464c (AT) news (DOT) greennet.net>,
Steve Swift <Steve.J.Swift (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

This is absolutely classical! May I use it in a little hobby
project of mine to show the wrong tendency to be concerned with
pixel perfection in web design?

Which smarty pants said this? Please quote properly.

By all means, but with one caveat. My fee is that you agree visit my
pages and offer fixes when things which should theoretically align
vertically, or horizontally (as text in tables does, for example, in
simple cases) fail to do so.

You only have to ask, your word is my command. Remember, I now
know there is a "Ruler" in the Web Developer tools in FF. That
makes mw straight out dangerous on matters of alignment. Show me
any problem you have (as long as it is valid code - both html and
css - in the first place). Lost a pixel? I will find it.

--
dorayme

rf wrote:

Please do so. I for one would like to see one of these pages that absolutely
must be pixel perfect.

OK, Game on. Here's your starter for ten:

http://swiftys.org.uk/always_aligns.html

--
Steve Swift
http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html
http://www.ringers.org.uk

In article <47185a0e$1 (AT) news (DOT) greennet.net>,
Steve Swift <Steve.J.Swift (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

rf wrote:
Please do so. I for one would like to see one of these pages that
absolutely
must be pixel perfect.

OK, Game on. Here's your starter for ten:

http://swiftys.org.uk/always_aligns.html

A number of points about this. First, why are the capital Rs so
important that you are pointing them out? Second, this is hardly
one of those "pages that absolutely must be pixel perfect".
Third, well, I forgotten if there is a third? But I know there is
a fourth... Four, rf is not going to be impressed.

--
dorayme

I prefer to hit Prt Scr then paste the screenshot into Macromedia
Fireworks. I can then zoom in and use the Rectangle tool to make sure
things align.

I've used PMViewPro for this on occasions, although I'll admit that I'd
forgotten about doing it this way.

--
Steve Swift
http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html
http://www.ringers.org.uk

In article <47186838 (AT) news (DOT) greennet.net>,
Steve Swift <Steve.J.Swift (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

I prefer to hit Prt Scr then paste the screenshot into Macromedia
Fireworks. I can then zoom in and use the Rectangle tool to make sure
things align.

I've used PMViewPro for this on occasions, although I'll admit that I'd
forgotten about doing it this way.

Wow, have we got a little club here? A cabal? The pixel perfect
brigade...

--
dorayme

"dorayme" <doraymeRidThis (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote

In article <47185a0e$1 (AT) news (DOT) greennet.net>,
Steve Swift <Steve.J.Swift (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

rf wrote:
Please do so. I for one would like to see one of these pages that
absolutely
must be pixel perfect.

OK, Game on. Here's your starter for ten:

http://swiftys.org.uk/always_aligns.html

A number of points about this. First, why are the capital Rs so
important that you are pointing them out? Second, this is hardly
one of those "pages that absolutely must be pixel perfect".
Third, well, I forgotten if there is a third? But I know there is
a fourth... Four, rf is not going to be impressed.

Too bloody right.

If the OP has such a problem lining up R's inside a table (which is by
definition lined up vertically and horizontally) that he has to resort to
using guide lines or cross hairs then there is no hope.

Steve, I was thinking a real live web page, you know, like, one you have
actually published on the internet, not some trivial crap. Or was that a
joke?

--
Richard.