using em widths in IE 5.5

Hi guys,

I have been using em-units for different widths in one of my latest websites
(203.17.179.45 - you have to click past the initial CM3 screen) and
everything worked fine in IE 6 as well as Opera and Mozilla, until I went
and checked it in IE 5.5. It seems 5.5 interprets the width of an EM
slightly different? If you roll over the menu items you will see what I
mean.

Any idea how to fix this problem without applying hacks? You will notice my
menu.css is already way too big as it is and I will have to reduce it ASAP
without adding hacks everywhere.

Thanks for the help.

Fredo Vincentis wrote:

Hi guys,

Er, g'day.

I have been using em-units for different widths in one of my latest
websites
(- you have to click past the initial CM3 screen) and

Making us jump through hoops? The url is:

http://www.ddsn.com/solutions/cm3/

everything worked fine in IE 6 as well as Opera and Mozilla, until I went
and checked it in IE 5.5. It seems 5.5 interprets the width of an EM
slightly different? If you roll over the menu items you will see what I
mean.

A screenshot would have been usefull for those of us who don't have IE5.5
immediately to hand.
You have probably fallen into one of the IE margin/padding bugs.

Any idea how to fix this problem without applying hacks?

A fix for a specific browser *is* a hack.

You will notice my
menu.css is already way too big as it is and I will have to reduce it ASAP
without adding hacks everywhere.

Which of the three CSS files you have there are you talking about? More
hoops. Why not give us a link to the CSS file. The one I looked at is about
10 lines long. Yep, so it the _ie one. These are not big at all. Of course,
considering you are misusing tables for layout...




You have far more serious problems than the interpretation of ems by an
obsolete browser.

You may want to think about accessibility. The font you have forced upon me
in IE is so miniscule that I cant even *read* the menu, let alone consider
if something is wrong with it. And it is in pixels so I (using IE) cannot
resize it unless I use my accessibility options to ignore your font size.

Firefox at least allows me to change the font size but then I find that your
menu is images of text rather than real text, as is all the other navigation
on that page. There is not alt text either. Here is a screenshot from lynx.
This is what your blind viewer would hear:

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Don't you *want* me to be able to use this site?

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Cheers
Richard.

"brucie" <shit (AT) usenetshit (DOT) info> wrote

In alt.html Fredo Vincentis said:

I have been using em-units for different widths in one of my latest
websites
(http://203.17.179.45/ - you have to click past the initial CM3 screen)

?? i assume you're talking about http://www.ddsn.com/ its the only link
that went anywhere.

Wrong link. If you go to http://203.17.179.45/ you need to click "Click
here to continue." Sorry, there is no way around that screen at the moment -
it's a license issue.

"rf" <rf@.invalid> wrote

Fredo Vincentis wrote:

Hi guys,

Er, g'day.

I have been using em-units for different widths in one of my latest
websites
(- you have to click past the initial CM3 screen) and

Making us jump through hoops? The url is:

http://www.ddsn.com/solutions/cm3/

Wrong link. If you go to http://203.17.179.45/ you need to click "Click
here to continue." Sorry, there is no way around that screen at the moment -
it's a license issue.

everything worked fine in IE 6 as well as Opera and Mozilla, until I
went
and checked it in IE 5.5. It seems 5.5 interprets the width of an EM
slightly different? If you roll over the menu items you will see what I
mean.

You will notice my
menu.css is already way too big as it is and I will have to reduce it
ASAP
without adding hacks everywhere.

Which of the three CSS files you have there are you talking about? More
hoops. Why not give us a link to the CSS file. The one I looked at is
about
10 lines long. Yep, so it the _ie one. These are not big at all. Of
course,
considering you are misusing tables for layout...

http://203.17.179.45/include/menu.css

Don't you *want* me to be able to use this site?

I wish I could, but I've got nothing to do with the site you saw (ddsn).
That's just the Content Management System I use.

Fredo Vincentis

(- you have to click past the initial CM3 screen) and

Making us jump through hoops? The url is:

http://www.ddsn.com/solutions/cm3/

Wrong link. If you go to http://203.17.179.45/ you need to click "Click
here to continue." Sorry, there is no way around that screen at the
moment -
it's a license issue.

Hello!!! That is what I did. I typed the above IP address into my browser
and then cliked on that whatever and I saw what I saw. A very inaccessible
site.

If you wish to make me jump through any further hoops then you have just
lost my help.

--
Cheers
Richard.

"brucie" <shit (AT) usenetshit (DOT) info> wrote

In alt.html Fredo Vincentis said:

I've got nothing to do with the site you saw (ddsn).
That's just the Content Management System I use.

a poor tradesman always blames his tools.

What a stupid comment is that?

"brucie" <shit (AT) usenetshit (DOT) info> wrote

In alt.html Fredo Vincentis said:

?? i assume you're talking about http://www.ddsn.com/ its the only link
that went anywhere.

Wrong link. If you go to http://203.17.179.45/ you need to click "Click
here to continue."

that link takes me to http://203.17.179.45/index.asp - its the same page

So if you click "Click here to continue" it also takes you to the DDSN
website? That's weird. It should take you to a website called RMIT English
Worldwide.

Fredo Vincentis wrote:

that link takes me to http://203.17.179.45/index.asp - its the same
page

So if you click "Click here to continue" it also takes you to the DDSN
website? That's weird. It should take you to a website called RMIT English
Worldwide.

Do you know that you have just wasted a considerable amount of my time and
also i suspect brucies time?

<quote>
I have been using em-units for different widths in one of my latest websites
(203.17.179.45 - you have to click past the initial CM3 screen) and
everything worked fine in IE 6 as well as Opera and Mozilla, until I went
and checked it in IE 5.5. It seems 5.5 interprets the width of an EM
slightly different? If you roll over the menu items you will see what I
</quote>

See that? That is from your original post.

Where in there do you state that I have to "click here to continue"? No
bloody where

I clicked on the big round blot at the top left, the CM3 thing, the bit you
drew my attention by stating "the initial CM3 screen". Of bloody course I
clicked the CM3 blot. That is how I got sidetracked.

brucie probably did something similar (or knowing him something wildly
different)


Next time will yo PLEASE be a little bit more specifict and give us an
ACCURATE url? If you don't then everbody will simply ignore you.

As to your problem... I've lost interest.

--
Cheers
Richard.

"brucie" <shit (AT) usenetshit (DOT) info> wrote

In alt.html Fredo Vincentis said:

a poor tradesman always blames his tools.

What a stupid comment is that?

an accurate one.

Sorry, MATE, but I don't get you. Are you trying to tell me that you are
blaming me for the inaccessibility of a website that belongs to a company
whose Content Management System I happen to use? Get a life!

now please go away i'm having an argument about "viewport" versus
"available canvas area"

You seem to be a very important person.

"rf" <rf@.invalid> wrote

Fredo Vincentis wrote:

Do you know that you have just wasted a considerable amount of my time and
also i suspect brucies time?

Next time will yo PLEASE be a little bit more specifict and give us an
ACCURATE url? If you don't then everbody will simply ignore you.

As to your problem... I've lost interest.

I apologise, but I have got no control over that initial screen. I guess I
assumed that "Click here to continue" was clear enough, seems I was wrong.